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#46 |
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Kinda. Because the US will be held responsible, the entire operation cannot end on a sour note, for the purposes of the Arab point of view.
The current plan is to use greater amounts of force and different rules of engagement, taking on not only insurgents but other sectarian militias; and to concentrate on Baghdad, and systematically make it into a much more controlled and thus peaceful city, so that it can better bootstrap into something productive. |
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It also doesn't help that we didn't know the Iraqis as well as we thought we did...or wildly overassumed shit.
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And the Iraqis we did know were exiles who hoped that the US would put them in charge after the invasion.
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Meanwhile, only the foreign press is noting dangerous actions. Massive numbers of Air Force air refueling tankers are moving to the Middle East. First the Eisenhower was surged to the Gulf. Now the Stennis. Truman and Nimitz may be less than a month from deployment; both now in at sea. A Marine Expeditionary force has been suddenly deployed. What is Cheney talking about to leaders in all those adjacent nations? These are all symptomatic of a one shot strike on Iran. So what are our plans? Well an attack on Iran could forestall the British withdrawal from Iraq - a need to desperately protect an exposed supply line to American combat units. Cheney - from his "I know what really are threats" attitude - knows the world will not withdrawal support for sanctions against Iran. Appreciate who this man is. He has no regard for American ethical or popularity standings in the world. His attitude is to fix things now; also with contempt even for American voters. He says the presidency does not have enough power - his comtempt for American principles are that great. If it were anyone else, a one shot and surprise attack on Iran would not be reasonable. But what is reasonable to Cheney means even perverting US intelligence to prove Saddam is a threat. The man sees enemies in terms of black and white. The existence of an enemy justifies anything to destroy that enemy - and that included Amb Wilson and Valery Plame. Cheney has no compulsion about exercising power for his personal agenda. Well maybe this buildup is because NATO situations in Afghanistan may have become tenuous. That remains a possibility because actions wasted in Iraq mean Afghanistan is also going downward. So what is our plan? It is not a plan for victory. That would require a plan based in reality such as from the Iraq Study Group. Cheney rejected that before it was released. The one thing we know. What is our plan? Well what is the mindset and political agenda of Dick Cheney? It is that simple. The complicated part is second guessing Cheney. Have you been watching this sudden deployment of 'one-strike' type weaponry? I have for more than a month now. We are preparing to attack something. Question is what. |
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Ya know, I used to think that Cheney was the Head Nigga In Charge, but I'm not so sure anymore. I'd say he's more of an enforcer. Bush, as retarded as he comes across sometimes, does not necessarily lack intelligence. What he does seem to lack is common sense and vision.
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Bush calls the shots. Cheney controls the options Bush has to choose from. You know the options are all presented in a way Bush really has no choice but to do what Cheney wants done. Can you say, Geppetto.
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http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/01/08/iraq-oil.html http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/46389/ http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040112/roston http://www.commondreams.org/headlines07/0107-02.htm http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...cle2132574.ece |
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Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz: “There’s a lot of money to pay for this that doesn’t have to be U.S. taxpayer money, and it starts with the assets of the Iraqi people…and on a rough recollection, the oil revenues of that country could bring between $50 and $100 billion over the course of the next two or three years…We’re dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon.”
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld: “If you [Source: worry about just] the cost, the money, Iraq is a very different situation from Afghanistan…Iraq has oil. They have financial resources.” Press Secretary Ari Fleischer: “Well, the reconstruction costs remain a very -- an issue for the future. And Iraq, unlike Afghanistan, is a rather wealthy country. Iraq has tremendous resources that belong to the Iraqi people. And so there are a variety of means that Iraq has to be able to shoulder much of the burden for their own reconstruction.” Budget Director Josh Bolten: “We don't anticipate requesting anything additional for the balance of this year.” Budget Director Mitch Daniels: “The United States is committed to helping Iraq recover from the conflict, but Iraq will not require sustained aid.” How can people in these high places be so utterly and totally WRONG.... In real corporate life these people would have been sacked a long time ago.
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The only reason that I have heard that makes any kind of sense is that withdrawl right now would probably result in a Taliban-type government, or civil war. Oil flow would likely stop, and terrorists/Jihadists would flock there to train and plan. All the other "reasons" that I've heard are bullshit.
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Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya?
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Bush is the decider.
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Yup he decides when he wants his paddle-ball an' some ribs!
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The Iraq Study Group was the only viable option we had left. It was about minimizing the defeat. It was about getting a problem solved by end of 2007. Anything else only makes this problem fester - makes Americans even more hated. But the ISG also means the defeat is on the legacy of George Jr (President Cheney). That is not acceptable to extremists whose legacy and agenda is more important than America. The longer Americans occupy Iraq, then the more Iraqis hate Americans. When do 3000 attacks on Americans every day become 4000 attacks? This is why Military Science 101 - the planning for the peace - why nation building must be accomplished in that first six months. At the end of a year, the occupying power either pulls out and is loved - or the nation hates that occupying power. As everyone knows, America did zero attempt to 'nation build' in Iraq for the first seven months. 'Nation building' is contrary 'big dic' thinking. George Jr foolishly confused a tactical victory with a strategic objective. Defeat in Iraq is now inevitable. The question is whether we can minimize that defeat. How? Iraq Study Group. ISG is the only viable solution left because extremists made the exact same mistake they created in 1991. They failed to plan for the peace. |
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