Burn A Koran Day

[Pete Zicato]

Originally Posted by Scriveyn

He has lived and started his cult (or whatever you want to call it) in Cologne/Germany. He stated that this town was the gate of hell, because (1) the mother of the Roman emperor Nero had founded the city and (2) because Karl Marx had lived there for a while. He said he founded and ran his group to watch over this gate of hell.

That's just insane.

Doesn't he know that the hellmouth was located in Sunnydale, CA and that Buffy closed it already?

[Pete Zicato]

[Lamplighter]

First, Good on Juniper for starting this thread.

I feel the majority of Dwellar views here represent the best side of people,
as also shown in this NY Times article

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/08/us...html?th&emc=th

In Florida, Many Lay Plans to Counter a Pastor’s Message
By DAMIEN CAVE
Published: September 7, 2010

Clergy members, academics and elected officials in Gainesville have planned nearly a dozen events to counter the plan, starting on Wednesday with an interfaith prayer service. On Saturday, hundreds of local residents and visitors are expected to rally against Mr. Jones, an evangelical pastor, with signs containing messages like “Peace among religions leads to peace among nations.”

Officials in Gainesville are making plans as if the burning will occur. A police checkpoint will be added. And though Fire Department officials have denied Mr. Jones a bonfire permit, Deputy Fire Chief Tim Hayes said Tuesday that contained residential fires that did not extend beyond three feet by three feet were allowed.

[Rhianne]

In the UK we have a 'Burn a Catholic' night every 5th November.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Same old bullshit from you too, dude.

The issue for me is bigger than some bigoted minister. It is the growing backlash against Muslims in America....from this preacher, from Beck and Limbaugh, from Chirstohpher Hitchins and from innuendos like yours.

And that backlash is fueled by ignorant associations of the actions of few with an entire religion.

Thats my opinion an d i dont give a fuck if you like it not.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

First cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

My point is that moderate muslims have failed to speak up about the years of violence. I am not a fan of polls but some of the ones taken after the bus bombings in the UK were quite interesting. In this country I see a huge outcry against this idiot from many Christian groups, his own kind.

[Undertoad]

I've heard them speak out several times.

[Rhianne]

I have to respond. 'Moderate muslims' continually speak out. Perhaps you're not listening or maybe you need to change your news sources.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by Juniper

this reminds me of the Waltons episode in which the townsfolk got together to burn a bunch of books printed in German. John-Boy rescued one big book from the eager pastor's hands (John Ritter!) only to find that, to everyone's shock, it was the Bible! Lesson: if you destroy something an enemy holds dear, you risk destroying something you also might treasure. Or something like that.

Wow. You flashed on that too? I don't remember much of the Waltons, but that same thing came to my mind when I heard this.

What's funny is that there are so few conservative voices arguing against this even thought Gen. Petraeus has said it would be a bad idea. What happened to all those conservatiuve voices who warn 'this will hurt the troops' in response to any criticism of the war? Well, the commander of the whole f**cking war just told you what will hurt the troops and all I hear is.....silence.

[classicman]

maybe you need to change your news sources.

[classicman]

That was unfair - there are too many who are not looking at it that way. You're right.

[monster]

If I wanted to really piss off the muslims, I'd just have lots of sex with lots of people.

The virtue of chastity is regarded as of prime importance by Islam. The Qur'an advanced its universal recommendation of marriage as a means to ensure a state of chastity (ihsan) which is held to be induced by a single free wife. Adultery and false accusations of adultery are severely punished.

Far more fun and much less hassle.


...did some more research......

OK, now I get why Americans Christians hate Muslims so much:

In Islamic life hoarding of wealth without recognizing the rights of the poor is threatened with the direst punishments in the hereafter and is declared to be one of the main causes of the decay of societies in this world. The practice of usury is forbidden. Islam is the concept of the community of the faithful.

They're fucken socialists! Reds under the beds!

[Clodfobble]

That's one of the reasons they hate the Jews so much, because they're the ones who invented monetary interest.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Rhianne

I have to respond. 'Moderate muslims' continually speak out. Perhaps you're not listening or maybe you need to change your news sources.

Not in a response commensurate with the level of violence over the last 9 years in all the countries we have been involved in. The sitting governments have responded, where there is one, but that is not the same. There is no hue and outcry from the Imam's from countries like Indonesia (where the majority of muslims reside), from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan, Bangledesh, Nigeria, Sudan, Algeria, etc, where are they. It has not and is not happening. To say there is a backlash and outcry against the violence that a minority of extremists have hijacked the religion is disingenuous at the least and borders on kool aid drinking progressive BS at the other end of the spectrum.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

I've heard them speak out several times.

True. It that one case. One time. In 2004. Nothing but silence since. And that is good, because that is a from a "moderate" group, formed to moderate some of the discussion, and PR their point of view. All good.

They also went on to state in the article:

Asked whether moderates can export abroad the ideas developed in the United States, Fradkin replied, it's a "genuine prospect" but it will take an understanding of the real experience of democracy, "which is basically an abstraction in most of the Muslim world."

And there in lies the rub, the problem is not so much in this country where Muslims, generally have had a pretty good go of it till now, the problem is in the rest of the world where the majority live. Some 48 countries are muslim dominated. Hardly a peep in proportion to the level of violence.