The Obamanation - Page 43

Griff · 07-31-2009, 01:16 PM

We have a completely different tax structure than the Euros. We'd have to include all taxation and then sus out who is paying what. For example SS hits the working poor hardest but isn't included.

We need to be very careful when using O'Reilly as a source on anything that requires math.

TheMercenary · 07-31-2009, 03:22 PM

O'Reilly?

I was only addressing Federal Income Tax. Nothing to do with SS. They collect their tax. Completely different.

Griff · 07-31-2009, 03:47 PM

I assumed that since you were using O'Reilly's tactic on intentional misunderstanding of the tax levels, you were modeling after him, I guess you get your marching orders elsewhere. Moran is being intentionally deceptive on tax rates by excluding FICA which is capped at $106,800. Tax structure is too complicated and too individual to each country to be compared without a serious accounting of all taxes by all levels of government. As a percentage of income, FICA and gas taxes lean harder on the working poor, but are not included in the Income taxes are the only measure paradigm. I'm not saying I know what an honest accounting of taxation would reveal but I am saying that Moran is intentionally omitting the taxes that hit the working poor.

TheMercenary · 07-31-2009, 08:38 PM

Sort of like the VAT in the UK, right? That certainly does not affect the poor.

Moran is addressing the only thing I have addressed. That the progressive income tax is unfair and unbalanced.

TheMercenary · 08-03-2009, 12:27 PM

Obama and the Press and people bitched about Bush using the press. They are no different.

Quote:

The Prez, The Press, The Pressure
Networks Grouse About Obama in Prime Time

By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 3, 2009

In the days before President Obama's last news conference, as the networks weighed whether to give up a chunk of their precious prime time, Rahm Emanuel went straight to the top.

Rather than calling ABC, the White House chief of staff phoned Bob Iger, chief executive of parent company Disney. Instead of contacting NBC, Emanuel went to Jeffrey Immelt, the chief executive of General Electric. He also spoke with Les Moonves, the chief executive of CBS, the company spun off from Viacom.

Whether this amounted to undue pressure or plain old Chicago arm-twisting, Emanuel got results: the fourth hour of lucrative network time for his boss in six months. But network executives have been privately complaining to White House officials that they cannot afford to keep airing these sessions in the current economic downturn.

The networks "absolutely" feel pressured, says Paul Friedman, CBS's senior vice president: "It's an enormous financial cost when the president replaces one of those prime-time hours. The news divisions also have mixed feelings about whether they are being used."

While it is interesting to see how a president handles questions, Friedman says, "there was nothing" at the July 22 session, which was dominated by health-care questions. "There hardly ever is these days, because there's so much coverage all the time."

Had Obama not answered the last question that evening -- declaring that the Cambridge police had acted "stupidly" in arresting Henry Louis Gates at his home -- the news conference would have been almost totally devoid of news. And that raises questions about whether the sessions have become mainly a vehicle for Obama to repeat familiar messages.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...202045_pf.html

TheMercenary · 08-06-2009, 06:44 PM

Obama's program not working, small fractions helped.

Quote:

Mortgage aid program helping fraction of borrowers

By ALAN ZIBEL, AP Real Estate Writer Alan Zibel, Ap Real Estate Writer – Tue Aug 4, 6:24 pm ET
WASHINGTON – The government's $50 billion program to ease the mortgage crisis is helping only a tiny fraction of struggling homeowners, and a list released Tuesday showed which lenders are laggards.

As of July, only 9 percent of eligible borrowers had seen their mortgage payments reduced with modified loans. And the first monthly progress report showed that 10 lenders had not changed a single mortgage.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090804/..._mortgage_help

TheMercenary · 08-07-2009, 02:15 AM

So now ole Rahm it Through wants to stifle Free Speech?

Quote:

White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel warned liberal groups this week to stop running ads against Democratic members of Congress.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/25900.html

08-07-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

So now ole Rahm it Through wants to stifle Free Speech?

Oh No!

He's invoking Reagan's 11lth Commandment:

"Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican (Democrat)"

How could he stoop so low!

Shawnee123 · 08-07-2009, 01:49 PM

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Will it teach Shawnee enlightenment, or teach the enlightened that Shawnee has the brains of a planarian?

Um duh, um, mebbe I kin larn to think, ya think? Buts I only gots ONE brains so I can't live in that there planetarium your talkin' 'bout.

Now I see the problem: you are multi-brained, while little old me only has the one.

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-07-2009, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Um duh, um, mebbe I kin larn to think, ya think? Buts I only gots ONE brains so I can't live in that there planetarium your talkin' 'bout.

I devoutly hope that you can.

For it would be pleasant. I like pleasant, and all the more for not always being so myself.

Sidereally yours,
UG/Reid
___________

"Keep Looking Up." -- Jack Horkheimer

Shawnee123 · 08-07-2009, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

I devoutly hope that you can.

For it would be pleasant. I like pleasant, and all the more for not always being so myself.

Sidereally yours,
UG/Reid

I'm not always pleasant either. But next time I have a hankerin' for being pleasant I'll be sure to shower some on you.

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-07-2009, 03:55 PM

They said "short term" about FDR's New Deal too. And its opponents opposed it on the grounds that if it was different from state socialism, they'd sure wouldn't want to live on that difference. It's not very much talked about, but might they have had a point then? You're not going to hear about this in high-school American History class, are you? (American history is not, I think, very well taught in grades 1-12 -- in spite of my always enjoying it and getting good grades. I could see why some people got bored and tuned it out and I could watch them getting bored stiff too.)

And the present bureaucracy and multiplicity of Federal Agencies of this that and the other is still here, even after the Supreme Court dissolved the National Recovery Administration.

That Other NRA

It's best if most of us don't get fooled again. That way we can resist the harebrained headlong national debt increase and the inflation that will follow in its wake if implemented, and vote out the dopes who've enacted this whole attempt to dismember a fifth of the world's economy, namely the American economy.

The finger of blame has been pointed at the Federal Government, particularly certain named Congresscritters like Barney Frank, for rejiggering investment risk and lending risk to induce a too-large expansion of debt as a part of the national economy. This would not have occurred without Congressional mandate, now would it have? Earlier Federal financial regulation was designed to contain the excesses of debt mismanagement that crashed the stock market and then everything else into the Depression. This earlier regulation was replaced by removing such regulation and insisting that credit be extended wider and wider and deeper and deeper -- and whattaya know, the debt burden grew to enormous size. It's a matter of public record, d'ya know. I mean, if Fox News Channel can find it, surely you can too, if you think you're smarter than a Fox.

08-07-2009, 04:02 PM

Fox News Channel

Of course they blame Barney Frank, rather than eight years of a nearly totally deregulated financial services industry that ran amok.

In all fairness, Clinton and the Republican Congress of the late 90s share the blame with Bush and Republican Congress (of 2000-06) and the lack of any serious oversight for six years. The Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 was an unmitigated disaster waiting to happen..and to no surprise, it happened.

It didnt just happen in 2007 when Barney Frank rose to the chairmanship of a House committee.

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-07-2009, 05:36 PM

I've been dragging my bagpipe case out lately -- with its Kingdom of Atlantia sticker centered on its lid.

Actually, Redux, Fox News does and did apportion blame all over. Barney was just one of the ones they fingered. They found the things you found. See? -- they can't be wrong just because they sound a little more Republican than everybody else except the blogoverse.

OnyxCougar · 08-07-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

I've been dragging my bagpipe case out lately -- with its Kingdom of Atlantia sticker centered on its lid.

07-31-2009, 01:16 PM	#1
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	We have a completely different tax structure than the Euros. We'd have to include all taxation and then sus out who is paying what. For example SS hits the working poor hardest but isn't included. We need to be very careful when using O'Reilly as a source on anything that requires math. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

07-31-2009, 03:22 PM	#2
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	O'Reilly? I was only addressing Federal Income Tax. Nothing to do with SS. They collect their tax. Completely different. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

07-31-2009, 03:47 PM	#3
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	I assumed that since you were using O'Reilly's tactic on intentional misunderstanding of the tax levels, you were modeling after him, I guess you get your marching orders elsewhere. Moran is being intentionally deceptive on tax rates by excluding FICA which is capped at $106,800. Tax structure is too complicated and too individual to each country to be compared without a serious accounting of all taxes by all levels of government. As a percentage of income, FICA and gas taxes lean harder on the working poor, but are not included in the Income taxes are the only measure paradigm. I'm not saying I know what an honest accounting of taxation would reveal but I am saying that Moran is intentionally omitting the taxes that hit the working poor. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

07-31-2009, 08:38 PM	#4
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Sort of like the VAT in the UK, right? That certainly does not affect the poor. Moran is addressing the only thing I have addressed. That the progressive income tax is unfair and unbalanced. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

08-07-2009, 03:55 PM	#12
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	They said "short term" about FDR's New Deal too. And its opponents opposed it on the grounds that if it was different from state socialism, they'd sure wouldn't want to live on that difference. It's not very much talked about, but might they have had a point then? You're not going to hear about this in high-school American History class, are you? (American history is not, I think, very well taught in grades 1-12 -- in spite of my always enjoying it and getting good grades. I could see why some people got bored and tuned it out and I could watch them getting bored stiff too.) And the present bureaucracy and multiplicity of Federal Agencies of this that and the other is still here, even after the Supreme Court dissolved the National Recovery Administration. That Other NRA It's best if most of us don't get fooled again. That way we can resist the harebrained headlong national debt increase and the inflation that will follow in its wake if implemented, and vote out the dopes who've enacted this whole attempt to dismember a fifth of the world's economy, namely the American economy. The finger of blame has been pointed at the Federal Government, particularly certain named Congresscritters like Barney Frank, for rejiggering investment risk and lending risk to induce a too-large expansion of debt as a part of the national economy. This would not have occurred without Congressional mandate, now would it have? Earlier Federal financial regulation was designed to contain the excesses of debt mismanagement that crashed the stock market and then everything else into the Depression. This earlier regulation was replaced by removing such regulation and insisting that credit be extended wider and wider and deeper and deeper -- and whattaya know, the debt burden grew to enormous size. It's a matter of public record, d'ya know. I mean, if Fox News Channel can find it, surely you can too, if you think you're smarter than a Fox. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course. Last edited by Urbane Guerrilla; 08-07-2009 at 04:04 PM.

08-07-2009, 04:02 PM	#13
Redux Guest Posts: n/a	Fox News Channel Of course they blame Barney Frank, rather than eight years of a nearly totally deregulated financial services industry that ran amok. In all fairness, Clinton and the Republican Congress of the late 90s share the blame with Bush and Republican Congress (of 2000-06) and the lack of any serious oversight for six years. The Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 was an unmitigated disaster waiting to happen..and to no surprise, it happened. It didnt just happen in 2007 when Barney Frank rose to the chairmanship of a House committee. Last edited by Redux; 08-07-2009 at 04:24 PM.

08-07-2009, 05:36 PM	#14
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	I've been dragging my bagpipe case out lately -- with its Kingdom of Atlantia sticker centered on its lid. Actually, Redux, Fox News does and did apportion blame all over. Barney was just one of the ones they fingered. They found the things you found. See? -- they can't be wrong just because they sound a little more Republican than everybody else except the blogoverse. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

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