What is a hobby breeder? - Page 5

Nirvana · 03-23-2009, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME

If these 'Draconian ' measures actually end up protecting the animals, then Im all for it. Hobby breeders be damned.

Pico you really have no idea what you are talking about and I really have no need of your respect but I have to say I spent 7 years educating and lobbying my breed club to change part of the breed standard to protect my breed from those that sought to cross breed to include a color pattern that is detrimental because my breed comes in many pigment reducing patterns. Some thought cross breeding merle dachshunds, and mini aussies with Chihuahuas would make them pretty. Not only does adding that gene rob my breed of its breed type it includes a pattern that some think of as a disease. I wrote a breed standard revision that included a serious fault to make it possible to discourage the breeding of this pattern. Dogs with this pattern and blue eyes are more likely to be deaf and have eye anomalies especially in my breed. You can read more about it here.
http://tanyastoys.com/infoM.htm

This issue divided our breed club and surely made me super bitch in the eyes of many people either because they wanted something to make them seem special or because they were apathetic. But I care about my breed and I have a thick hide and some things are more important than others greed.
I wrote the petition which had to be signed by 99 members of our club and I wrote the revision and with the help of others and our club voted and the revision is now included in the AKC standard as of Oct 2008 If you do not know how difficult it is to revise a breed standard consider that 2/3 of the membership of a club have to vote in the affirmative.
Blue eyes or a difference in the color of the iris in the two eyes, or two different colors within one iris should be considered a serious fault.
http://www.akc.org/breeds/chihuahua/
If I never do another thing in dogs I will have done more for my breed that you will ever do in your lifetime for any animal.

Pico and ME · 03-23-2009, 02:01 AM

Nirvana...congratulations. I get that you are committed.

I know all about expenses related to showing dogs. I helped my mom for several years show her Cairns and I have really neat memories of going to the International Dog Show at McCormick Place in Chicago. Showing and breeding dogs is an expensive hobby.

I'm not begrudging you your hobby. It just rubbed me the wrong way to hear you rant against animal rights groups or the groups that want to outlaw pet ownership. They have a right to their POV. I don't think that they will ever really successfully push their agenda through, but I do respect their reasons for wanting to. I think that anything that tries to protect against the abuse of animals is a good thing.

DanaC · 03-23-2009, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by monster

Hey, I'm cool with what you do, but it's just that i can see the POV of those who aren't. Personally, i could live with all dog breed dyng out....

Pilau was devastated to read this. I had to talk him out of asking UT to ban him...

Sundae · 03-23-2009, 07:11 AM

Diz asked me to tell Pilau to chill.
Well, he started to, then he licked his arse and forgot what he was saying.

Trilby · 03-23-2009, 07:46 AM

carly and stella want to know when's breakfast?

DanaC · 03-23-2009, 07:51 AM

Pilau respects the views of Carly and Stella enormously.

Trilby · 03-23-2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Pilau respects the views of Carly and Stella enormously.

It's not because of the sharp claws, is it? Coz they hardly ever use them.

for Pilau

Nirvana · 03-23-2009, 09:34 AM

Pico there is a difference between those that care about the welfare of animals and animal rights extremist groups. One wants the annihilation of your rights as a pet owner/breeder/animal owner and the other works to care for animals. The difference is as vast as the ocean. So no I don't get the animal rights extremist groups POV, but then I don't always get the POV of extremists.
I never got Hitler's POV but others were convinced and look where that went...

Shawnee123 · 03-23-2009, 09:41 AM

You might want to rethink your analogy: Hitler wanted to breed a master race of (iho) perfect people from perfect stock...

Sundae · 03-23-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Pilau respects the views of Carly and Stella enormously.

But not Diz, obviously?
It's because he's purebred isn't it?
You've got an issue with him because of his pure blood, right?

Reverse racist.
That's you that is.

DanaC · 03-23-2009, 10:04 AM

Umm....no....it's because their views advocate food.

And cos he is black. *

[eta} * this is not a reference to his actual colour.

Sundae · 03-23-2009, 10:13 AM

I call you Severus Snape.
Nyaaaaaaaaaaah!

(still loves ya really)

Nirvana · 03-23-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

You might want to rethink your analogy: Hitler wanted to breed a master race of (iho) perfect people from perfect stock...

An extremist is an extremist why would I want to re-think the analogy? Crazy is as crazy does... Apathy and ignorance look the other way while its happening.

Shawnee123 · 03-23-2009, 01:19 PM

I would submit that an extremist might also be one who compares some laws about ethical animal breeding to Hitler's slaughter of the Jews.

Nirvana · 03-23-2009, 01:25 PM

Because a few people with power and money convinced the ignorant that was the right way to go? I am an extremist for making the obvious comparison?
These are not laws about ethical animal breeding. They are laws designed to end the breeding and owning of ALL animals. [an extremist POV] We already have anti cruelty laws in every state they just need to be enforced. We do not need new laws we need enforcement of existing laws.

03-23-2009, 07:11 AM	#64
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Diz asked me to tell Pilau to chill. Well, he started to, then he licked his arse and forgot what he was saying. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

03-23-2009, 07:46 AM	#65
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	carly and stella want to know when's breakfast? __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-23-2009, 09:34 AM	#68
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	Pico there is a difference between those that care about the welfare of animals and animal rights extremist groups. One wants the annihilation of your rights as a pet owner/breeder/animal owner and the other works to care for animals. The difference is as vast as the ocean. So no I don't get the animal rights extremist groups POV, but then I don't always get the POV of extremists. I never got Hitler's POV but others were convinced and look where that went... __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

03-23-2009, 09:41 AM	#69
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	You might want to rethink your analogy: Hitler wanted to breed a master race of (iho) perfect people from perfect stock... __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

03-23-2009, 10:13 AM	#72
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I call you Severus Snape. Nyaaaaaaaaaaah! (still loves ya really) __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

03-23-2009, 02:01 AM	#62
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	Nirvana...congratulations. I get that you are committed. I know all about expenses related to showing dogs. I helped my mom for several years show her Cairns and I have really neat memories of going to the International Dog Show at McCormick Place in Chicago. Showing and breeding dogs is an expensive hobby. I'm not begrudging you your hobby. It just rubbed me the wrong way to hear you rant against animal rights groups or the groups that want to outlaw pet ownership. They have a right to their POV. I don't think that they will ever really successfully push their agenda through, but I do respect their reasons for wanting to. I think that anything that tries to protect against the abuse of animals is a good thing.

03-23-2009, 07:51 AM	#66
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Pilau respects the views of Carly and Stella enormously.

03-23-2009, 10:04 AM	#71
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Umm....no....it's because their views advocate food. And cos he is black. * [eta} * this is not a reference to his actual colour.

03-23-2009, 01:19 PM	#74
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I would submit that an extremist might also be one who compares some laws about ethical animal breeding to Hitler's slaughter of the Jews. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

03-23-2009, 01:25 PM	#75
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	Because a few people with power and money convinced the ignorant that was the right way to go? I am an extremist for making the obvious comparison? These are not laws about ethical animal breeding. They are laws designed to end the breeding and owning of ALL animals. [an extremist POV] We already have anti cruelty laws in every state they just need to be enforced. We do not need new laws we need enforcement of existing laws. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

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