Alec Baldwin is a scumbag

You are criminally insane and should be locked-up.
That person should, in no way, be allowed to be in custody, in any way, of a minor.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

You are criminally insane and should be locked-up.

Of course, but that's avoiding the question. Are you responsible if you are insane? (If you don't understand the difference between right and wrong because of your mental condition?) yes or no?

No, you are not responsible because you are insane. Which is why those people should not be in society. What does this have to do with this thread? Do you think Baldwin is criminally insane?

Please tell me you are not going to try to make the point that your child can make you angry enough to be insane... that is simply not true.

Then refute them logically, show where I am wrong. When you do I will state that I am wrong and thank you for teaching me.

Ok, those who are not criminally insane are always accountable for their actions.

Thanks for pointing out my oversight.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Ok, those who are not criminally insane are always accountable for their actions.

And what about toddlers? Those with Alzheimer's?

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Then refute them logically, show where I am wrong. When you do I will state that I am wrong and thank you for teaching me.

Or how about you stop making absolute statements that are virtually always false? The world isn't black and white.

I see... since you can't see that we are discussing an adult, who, as far as we know is sane, I'll try to dumb my language down for you now.
Sane adults are always responsible for their actions.

People with Alzheimer's and toddlers are not allowed in public with full rights, similar to the insane.

If you don't like how I communicate how about just don't take it personally. You're funny.

This is about a parent's reaction to their kid and they are always responsible, unless they are a toddler, you cutie you, or has Alzheimer's, LOL!, for that. It is not the kid's fault if the parent loses it.
If they are criminally insane, someone has dropped the ball. But, you just seem to want to argue, not really contribute to the thread.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

But, you just seem to want to argue, not really contribute to the thread.

If the thread is about Alec Baldwin only, then why did you make a statement that all people are always responsible for their actions? You expanded the scope of the thread when you said that.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I see... since you can't see that we are discussing an adult, who, as far as we know is sane, I'll try to dumb my language down for you now.
Sane adults are always responsible for their actions.

Excellent. Now you are talking. I can't prove that false.

I realize that trying to get you to change your posting habits is futile, but I figured I'd try with a post (or two.)

We are in a thread about a sane adult, discussing with, presumably, sane adults... within that paradigm, my statement was accurate.
It is ridiculously cumbersome and silly to type out all possible exceptions to every statement within every discussion. As long as you are making statements within the paradigm of the discussion it is reasonable to retain the language of that paradigm.
I am sure I could find examples of you doing the same thing. I would not because it is unreasonable to do so.

[glatt]

So you are saying that whenever you write in absolute terms, you don't actually mean it?

When you title a thread "Alex Baldwin is a scumbag," you only mean that in the context of leaving this message, "Alex Baldwin made a scumbag move"?

That's what Bruce and I have been saying, so I guess you agree with us.

Originally Posted by glatt

So you are saying that whenever you write in absolute terms, you don't actually mean it?

When you title a thread "Alex Baldwin is a scumbag," you only mean that in the context of leaving this message, "Alex Baldwin made a scumbag move"?

That's what Bruce and I have been saying, so I guess you agree with us.

Where does the thread title come into this?
No, an adult who makes the conscious choice to speak to their child like that is a scumbag.
I am making that as an absolute statement.
Especially one who does not own it afterward and simply say "I fucked-up, I'm sorry"... scumbag... bottom of the bag. Absolutely.

[BigV]

glatt:

I find that style maddening too. But rather that further flatten my head and my hand in frustration, I make an adjustment. Just as I would decode and reencode words spoken in a different language, I make a translation of what I hear into something I understand. The particular translation I make in situations like this is "blah blah blah absolute statement" "blah blah blah superlative" "blah blah blah assertion" becomes "... my opinion, and I'm highly agitated / excited / angry about it"

Assertions as facts, especially absolutes without qualifiers, drive me nuts. I have a hard time communicating around and through such obstacles, and this method has helped me the most. I try to listen more with my heart and less with my ears. Communication, after all, is about the exchange of ideas, and only coincidentally about hearing the sounds. A tape recorder can capture the sounds. But that's very very different from listening.

I reckon it goes both ways. There must be some out there that think I'm so wishy washy, a flipflopper that I can't take a position and mean it and keep it. Not so. I'm consistent, but I have extreme difficulty with careless use of superlatives and exaggerations and absolutes in serious conversation.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by BigV

glatt:

I find that style maddening too. But rather that further flatten my head and my hand in frustration, I make an adjustment.

Good tip. And I normally operate that way too, but for some reason this one was hard to let go.

You obviously have issues and valid concerns about abuse of one another is modern society. BUT, don't dump it on Baldwin which is what this is about. I'm not going to martyr him for societies ills.

Those of us who are saying he is fully responsible for his behavior are not martyring him... the apologists are.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Impossible, only attackers can martyr someone.

I hope you are not implying I'm an apologist. I can't, even if I wanted to, apologize for him.... that's between him and his kid. He doesn't owe me, you, or anybody but his kid, an apology.

I'm objecting to his being strung up by this kangaroo court.