Peace - Page 5

skysidhe · 09-28-2009, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by regular.joe

Peace like everything else in the universe comes in pockets and incongruous bunches. There will never be a time when peace is spread throughout the earth, nor will there be a time when war consumes everything. Both will take up large swaths of space and time. It's the way of things.

my .02 cents.

It's kind of poetic, less than majestic and too big to put on a bumper sticker.

I like it!

Shawnee123 · 09-28-2009, 01:54 PM

It's easy to fit 1/50 of a cent on a bumper sticker.

henry quirk · 09-28-2009, 02:54 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Griff · 09-28-2009, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by regular.joe

I'm just sayin that my .02 Cents is worth $.02. I will admit that I did have a typo there to begin with. It was stoopid.

What was stooopit was me calling anybody on a math error. I have no skills.

henry quirk · 09-29-2009, 10:00 AM

“'Peace' is not a concept limited to humanity.”

Of course it is, insofar as we know: as concept (something rooted in *language) 'peace' is uniquely human.

Certainly whales and orangutans may have something analogous to the concept, but this is only a guess.

We, however, 'know' humans truck in peace...this whole thread is an example of it.

*Language is one of the tools the human individual uses in apprehending the world. As signifier, the individual names the world, in some fashion making the world his own by giving it, the world, significance. This is true not only for the objective world, but also the esoteric one, that is, ideas and concepts (fictions) having no independent realness.

Peace, as construct, idea, fiction, is one such 'named' and signified thing.

Pie · 09-29-2009, 10:47 AM

My dog may not have a "construct, idea, fiction, is one such 'named' and signified thing" for 'love', but she sure as hell understands it.

henry quirk · 09-29-2009, 11:07 AM

Actually, as 'we' use and understand love, no, your dog doesn't.

If you want to generalize love to the point where it encompasses familiarity coupled with good feeling coupled with physical pleasure, then okay.

But, as we -- you and me -- think on love, such a generalized definition falls short of what we feel when we love.

Why?

Because when I love, when you love, we love the person for who she is. We understand her not only for the 'object' she is or the concreteness she provides, but also for the idiosyncratic 'subject' she is.

Your dog 'loves' you for 'what' you are. It can never know 'you', only what you serve as the source of.

The dog has no sense of self. No 'I'ness dominates it. Love, as complete, is the transaction between a 'you and me', not 'me and it'.

Now: you may love your dog, but your dog does not, cannot, love you in the same way. This makes for a one-way street...

Pie · 09-29-2009, 11:10 AM

You must live a very lonely existance, Henry.

Enjoy your 7' x 3' x 2' world.

henry quirk · 09-29-2009, 11:28 AM

I was thinkin' the same of you, pie.

When a body anthropomorphizes an animal, and attributes to it uniquely human qualities, my view is such a person suffers from a lack of human contact.

#

"Enjoy your 7' x 3' x 2' world."

We -- you and me -- live in the same world. We, however, have vastly different perspectives. I prefer to love and be loved by those who I can talk to.

You believe a wet nose pressed to yours 'means' something.

*shrug*

As you like...as you will...

Pie · 09-29-2009, 12:02 PM

Yep, I'm pretty sure your dog doesn't love you!

dar512 · 09-29-2009, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry quirk

When a body anthropomorphizes an animal, and attributes to it uniquely human qualities, my view is such a person suffers from a lack of human contact.

A truly evil person would link to this post at a number of dog and cat forums. I am a nice guy, however, so I just thought about it.

Oh, and both my dog and I disagree with you.

classicman · 09-29-2009, 01:59 PM

There have been many examples of animals willing to die for their "owners" What would you call that, if not love, Henry?

henry quirk · 09-29-2009, 02:02 PM

I don't need a dog: I have family and friends...

#

"A truly evil person would link to this post at a number of dog and cat forums."

Hey: call in as many as you like, Beastmaster!

A thousand voices promoting insanity are still insane.

#

"Oh, and both my dog and I disagree with you."

I'm sure 'you' do, but did you ask the dog?

#

I wrote: 'I prefer to love and be loved by those who I can talk to.'

That should read, 'I prefer to love and be loved by those who I can talk with.'

and

I wrote: 'You believe a wet nose pressed to yours 'means' something.'

That should read: 'You believe a wet, dog, nose pressed to yours is equivalent to a human lover's or toddler's.'

Imprecision: the bane of lucid communication.

henry quirk · 09-29-2009, 02:06 PM

"There have been many examples of animals willing to die for their "owners" What would you call that, if not love, Henry?"

Can you cite sources for this claim?

If you can: I'd love to read about these animals.

As of now: we have an unsupported claim which I chalk up to urban myth and misinterpretation of circumstance.

But: I could be wrong. Before I admit that I need the evidence.

lumberjim · 09-29-2009, 02:29 PM

09-28-2009, 01:54 PM	#62
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	It's easy to fit 1/50 of a cent on a bumper sticker. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

09-28-2009, 02:54 PM	#63
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	It's easy to fit 1/50 of a cent on a bumper sticker. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

09-29-2009, 10:00 AM	#65
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	“'Peace' is not a concept limited to humanity.” Of course it is, insofar as we know: as concept (something rooted in language) 'peace' is uniquely human. Certainly whales and orangutans may have something analogous to the concept, but this is only a guess. We, however, 'know' humans truck in peace...this whole thread is an example of it. Language is one of the tools the human individual uses in apprehending the world. As signifier, the individual names the world, in some fashion making the world his own by giving it, the world, significance. This is true not only for the objective world, but also the esoteric one, that is, ideas and concepts (fictions) having no independent realness. Peace, as construct, idea, fiction, is one such 'named' and signified thing. __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

09-29-2009, 10:47 AM	#66
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	My dog may not have a "construct, idea, fiction, is one such 'named' and signified thing" for 'love', but she sure as hell understands it. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

09-29-2009, 11:07 AM	#67
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	Actually, as 'we' use and understand love, no, your dog doesn't. If you want to generalize love to the point where it encompasses familiarity coupled with good feeling coupled with physical pleasure, then okay. But, as we -- you and me -- think on love, such a generalized definition falls short of what we feel when we love. Why? Because when I love, when you love, we love the person for who she is. We understand her not only for the 'object' she is or the concreteness she provides, but also for the idiosyncratic 'subject' she is. Your dog 'loves' you for 'what' you are. It can never know 'you', only what you serve as the source of. The dog has no sense of self. No 'I'ness dominates it. Love, as complete, is the transaction between a 'you and me', not 'me and it'. Now: you may love your dog, but your dog does not, cannot, love you in the same way. This makes for a one-way street... __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

09-29-2009, 11:10 AM	#68
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	You must live a very lonely existance, Henry. Enjoy your 7' x 3' x 2' world. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

09-29-2009, 11:28 AM	#69
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	You must live a very lonely existance, Henry. I was thinkin' the same of you, pie. When a body anthropomorphizes an animal, and attributes to it uniquely human qualities, my view is such a person suffers from a lack of human contact. # "Enjoy your 7' x 3' x 2' world." We -- you and me -- live in the same world. We, however, have vastly different perspectives. I prefer to love and be loved by those who I can talk to. You believe a wet nose pressed to yours 'means' something. shrug As you like...as you will... __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

09-29-2009, 12:02 PM	#70
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Yep, I'm pretty sure your dog doesn't love you! __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

09-29-2009, 01:59 PM	#72
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	There have been many examples of animals willing to die for their "owners" What would you call that, if not love, Henry? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

09-29-2009, 02:02 PM	#73
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	Yep, I'm pretty sure your dog doesn't love you! I don't need a dog: I have family and friends... # "A truly evil person would link to this post at a number of dog and cat forums." Hey: call in as many as you like, Beastmaster! A thousand voices promoting insanity are still insane. # "Oh, and both my dog and I disagree with you." I'm sure 'you' do, but did you ask the dog? # I wrote: 'I prefer to love and be loved by those who I can talk to.' That should read, 'I prefer to love and be loved by those who I can talk with.' and I wrote: 'You believe a wet nose pressed to yours 'means' something.' That should read: 'You believe a wet, dog, nose pressed to yours is equivalent to a human lover's or toddler's.' Imprecision: the bane of lucid communication. __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

09-29-2009, 02:06 PM	#74
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"There have been many examples of animals willing to die for their "owners" What would you call that, if not love, Henry?" Can you cite sources for this claim? If you can: I'd love to read about these animals. As of now: we have an unsupported claim which I chalk up to urban myth and misinterpretation of circumstance. But: I could be wrong. Before I admit that I need the evidence. __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

09-29-2009, 02:29 PM	#75
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	13-Pound Pooch Takes Hero Pet of the Year – VIDEO Little Dog Becomes Big Hero Hero Dog Saves Family From Fire – VIDEO Devoted Dog Struggles to Save Drowned Owner Hero Dog Takes Snake Bites Protecting Owner Dog Finds Abandoned Infant – VIDEO __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

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