The New "Tolerance" - Page 6

05-19-2006, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

I love the teachings of Jesus. I live by them.
I just don't think Christianity has anything to do with them.

My poor in-laws get so confuses by "I'm a follower of Christ but not a christian".

Since when are kids not allowed to have prayer groups in school?
It can't be a requirement, but they can organize all the prayer groups they like.

The crazy McCarthy God rhetoric just needs to get off of our Money and the pledge and out of all government functions and land... other than that, individuals are free to worship per the 1st amendment.

Stormieweather · 05-19-2006, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

I love the teachings of Jesus. I live by them.
I just don't think Christianity has anything to do with them.

I'm with you Flint. Except I use the phrase - "Organized Christianity", meaning churches that interpret and decide which parts they'll abide by and which ones they'll discard. Then add in a little personal agenda (and every church has an agenda of some sort or they'd all be one big happy Christian family).

Stormie

05-19-2006, 10:11 AM

Religion is the politics of faith, nothing more.

Flint · 05-19-2006, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Stormieweather

I use the phrase - "Organized Christianity"

The word Chistianity itself works just fine, for me. I don't think there is any distinction to be made. If you conciously decide to call yourself a Christian then that means only one thing: you subscribe to that institution.

Some might say that some Christians are basically good people who love Jesus, and don't deserve to be associated with the undesirable elements of organized religion. Then I ask: why call yourself a Christian? What is accomplished by defining yourself as a Christian?

Calling yourself a Christian is a vote, a strength-by-numbers vote, for the nutjobs and theocrats who selfishly abuse and distort the teachings of Jesus. What would be wrong with simply following Jesus, and not having to call yourself something?

mrnoodle · 05-19-2006, 11:56 AM

Eek. Too many replies to respond to. We have each other's opinions, and they are miles apart, so we'll just remain in our ignert little corners, I guess.

I am with you, however, on the sad state of "the church" as an organization. It's corrupt as it can be. The problem is, a lot of innocent people are taking the heat for the words of a few. If Phelps says something asinine and hateful, that doesn't mean that Christianity said that thing. Let it be on Phelps' head. It's like saying every black person is a Black Panther, or that the goatse guy speaks for all gay people.

Flint · 05-19-2006, 11:59 AM

Why associate yourself with the instutution?
Seriously, I don't understand.

PizzaMonkey · 05-19-2006, 01:06 PM

Wow, I am surprised at the response here! I expected a LOT more hostility!

Happy Monkey · 05-19-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

The problem is, a lot of innocent people are taking the heat for the words of a few. If Phelps says something asinine and hateful, that doesn't mean that Christianity said that thing.

Phelps is a hateful ass, but he's not the problem. Crazy preachers can preach any crap they want, for all I care. Good preachers can preach all they want, and I say good for them. The problem is politicians enacting their religious beliefs into law, whether prescriptive like the newly resurfaced gay marriage ban, or symbolic like religious icons on government property.

PizzaMonkey · 05-19-2006, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Since when are kids not allowed to have prayer groups in school?
It can't be a requirement, but they can organize all the prayer groups they like.

YES!!! I LOVE THAT!!! My school district will not let the bible be seen on the grounds that it's intolerant! They should really look at this thread to get both sides of the story!

Happy Monkey · 05-19-2006, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PizzaMonkey

Wow, I am surprised at the response here! I expected a LOT more hostility!

Oh, I'm sorry, this is argument. You're looking for abuse! Room 12, just along the corridor.

PizzaMonkey · 05-19-2006, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Oh, I'm sorry, this is argument. You're looking for abuse! Room 12, just along the corridor.

Ha-ha.

Happy Monkey · 05-19-2006, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PizzaMonkey

YES!!! I LOVE THAT!!! My school district will not let the bible be seen on the grounds that it's intolerant! They should really look at this thread to get both sides of the story!

School administrators are not often good at nuance. They LOVE absolute rules (unless someone figures out a loophole, then they LOVE unwritten rules). The law may be that the school can't organize prayer groups, but a principal or school board will say "no prayer groups", possibly with the idea of discouraging any student activity not organized by the school - schools are frequently very paranoid about stuff like that. A law may say no weapons in schools, and the school will ban metal compasses and nail clippers. A law may say no drugs in school, and a kid will get expelled for taking an aspirin. There's no "new tolerance" conspiracy for that, they just love to be able to say, "sorry, I have no discretion, it's a zero-tolerance policy."

xoxoxoBruce · 05-19-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe

I don't think so Bruce.

I thought the founding fathers were against one dominate religion controlling the country. People were given the freedom to worship how they will.I don't know of anyother time in american history, besides today and the puritain times where the US governments used fear of the wrath of god to keep people in line.

I don't know though. I only know what I think and don't have any facts to prove otherwise. ( at this moment)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separat...urch_and_state

Try going here and reading Onyx Cougar's posts #s 21 through 25. There is much truth there to what was actually going on outside the history book view of the early US.

PS. Especially her post #23

06-08-2006, 06:24 AM

Strictly speaking you cannot call yourself a Christian just because you follow the teachings of Christ . To be a Christian you have to accept the idea of the Virgin Birth , and you have to accept the idea that Jesus died and rose again . This is the core of Christianity , and if you don't believe that then you are not a Christian .

Flint · 06-08-2006, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddug

Strictly speaking you cannot call yourself a Christian just because you follow the teachings of Christ .

I'm glad to hear that, because I can't seem to find anybody that calls themselves a Christian and actually does follow the teachings of Christ. Most Christians appear to be violently opposed to the message of Jesus.

05-19-2006, 11:56 AM	#80
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	Eek. Too many replies to respond to. We have each other's opinions, and they are miles apart, so we'll just remain in our ignert little corners, I guess. I am with you, however, on the sad state of "the church" as an organization. It's corrupt as it can be. The problem is, a lot of innocent people are taking the heat for the words of a few. If Phelps says something asinine and hateful, that doesn't mean that Christianity said that thing. Let it be on Phelps' head. It's like saying every black person is a Black Panther, or that the goatse guy speaks for all gay people. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

05-19-2006, 11:59 AM	#81
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Why associate yourself with the instutution? Seriously, I don't understand. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

05-19-2006, 10:11 AM	#78
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Religion is the politics of faith, nothing more.

05-19-2006, 01:06 PM	#82
PizzaMonkey Will my Title ever stop changing? Oh, I guess it has now... Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 70	Wow, I am surprised at the response here! I expected a LOT more hostility!

06-08-2006, 06:24 AM	#89
Buddug Guest Posts: n/a	Strictly speaking you cannot call yourself a Christian just because you follow the teachings of Christ . To be a Christian you have to accept the idea of the Virgin Birth , and you have to accept the idea that Jesus died and rose again . This is the core of Christianity , and if you don't believe that then you are not a Christian .

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