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DanaC · 06-27-2007, 02:05 PM

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If someone wants to say they feel that the white/black/polish/russian race is superior, that is their right. If they want to use racial slurs, it is free speech. If they state they want people to hurt others, it is not.

What if by saying all those things that they are free to say, and by using racial slurs without restriction, they foster a sense of fear amongst the group in question? What if the effect of that acceptance of racism is to foster further racism, and lead to a culture in which an ethnic minority lives in fear of the white majority? At what point does their right not to feel intimidated outweigh the right of a racist group to propogate hatred?

How racist is America? Serious question. I'm sure it's come up before but I'd really be interested to know.

06-27-2007, 02:25 PM

No one has a right to be "protected" from another's speech. You are making it sound like people have a right to be comfortable... to me that is nuts.
There is only one race, the human race, no two people are the same color.
I don't believe in more than one race.

DanaC · 06-27-2007, 02:26 PM

That's fine, neither do I.

TheMercenary · 06-27-2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

How racist is America? Serious question. I'm sure it's come up before but I'd really be interested to know.

I think it is fairly racist, but also tolerant. I have spent a bit of time in Europe and I think they are more outwardly racist and less tolerant of people who are of a non-european ethnic origin. JMHO based on personal experience.

Undertoad · 06-27-2007, 03:33 PM

At my workplace we have had a few issues with people refusing to work well with our Indian sysadmin.

She speaks with a heavy accent and this causes some people to not want to do anything for her. When I say "some people" I mean colocation facilities that we pay $1-2000 a month, partly for their help getting things done.

This is only a problem at 3 out of about 150 locations, so there's that.

They are all in the South and I refuse to find that a coincidence.

I have not noticed any specific white-on-black racism in a long time. I have noticed a ton of black-on-white racism.

06-27-2007, 04:01 PM

TheMercenary · 06-27-2007, 08:57 PM

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I have noticed a ton of black-on-white racism.

A HUGE issue in the Military today.

Aliantha · 06-27-2007, 09:02 PM

rkz, I'm assuming from your posts that you think it's ok for Klan meetings to take place and as long as they only talk about how much they hate non whites and only say the things they'd like to do to them it's ok?

TheMercenary · 06-27-2007, 09:05 PM

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rkz, I'm assuming from your posts that you think it's ok for Klan meetings to take place and as long as they only talk about how much they hate non whites and only say the things they'd like to do to them it's ok?

To bad for us, but in fact the First Amendment actually supports them in this specific act. As long as they do not plan or spew forth violent plans they are good to go. Does not change the fact they are a hate group in the same vein as Louis Farakan and his Negro hate group.

Aliantha · 06-27-2007, 09:07 PM

So they can't be arrested for 'conspiring to do whatever' because they're perfectly within their rights to talk all they like.

TheMercenary · 06-27-2007, 09:10 PM

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So they can't be arrested for 'conspiring to do whatever' because they're perfectly within their rights to talk all they like.

Correct. They are protected under our Consitution. As are the Nazi's and New Black Panther Party.

tw · 06-28-2007, 01:19 AM

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So they can't be arrested for 'conspiring to do whatever' because they're perfectly within their rights to talk all they like.

The 'crossed line' is a difference between "only talk about how much they hate non whites" verses "planning to actually perform a violent crime". We can talk all we want about the scumbag president. But the minute we talk about killing him, expect a visit by Federal agents. Another example of 'crossing the line'; when exercising one's rights imposes unacceptably on the rights of others.

In Skokie IL, the Civil Liberties Union defended the Klan's right to demonstrate in that very Jewish town. KKK had the right to declare hate of Jews. They had no right to plan actions that called for murdering Jews.

bluecuracao · 06-28-2007, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

So they can't be arrested for 'conspiring to do whatever' because they're perfectly within their rights to talk all they like.

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Correct. They are protected under our Consitution. As are the Nazi's and New Black Panther Party.

Well, no--that sort of thing is not protected under the Constitution. They can do it, and not be arrested for it, though.

Aliantha · 06-28-2007, 02:56 AM

Well we all know that people who live their lives talking about hating others, rarely live their lives only talking about hating others.

This is why I and most likely others don't agree that allowing people to express these sorts of hatred in public is a good thing.

If someone can explain or show me some evidence that this sort of talk is not harmful then I'm all ears (or eyes as the case may be).

bluecuracao · 06-28-2007, 03:08 AM

I don't know, I get the feeling that many of those who talk so much about their hate for others, actually base their lives on it. Like a desperate grasp to feel better about themselves. That's why these groups form, I think.

06-27-2007, 09:02 PM	#83
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	rkz, I'm assuming from your posts that you think it's ok for Klan meetings to take place and as long as they only talk about how much they hate non whites and only say the things they'd like to do to them it's ok? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

06-27-2007, 09:07 PM	#85
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	So they can't be arrested for 'conspiring to do whatever' because they're perfectly within their rights to talk all they like. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

06-28-2007, 02:56 AM	#89
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well we all know that people who live their lives talking about hating others, rarely live their lives only talking about hating others. This is why I and most likely others don't agree that allowing people to express these sorts of hatred in public is a good thing. If someone can explain or show me some evidence that this sort of talk is not harmful then I'm all ears (or eyes as the case may be). __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

06-27-2007, 02:25 PM	#77
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	No one has a right to be "protected" from another's speech. You are making it sound like people have a right to be comfortable... to me that is nuts. There is only one race, the human race, no two people are the same color. I don't believe in more than one race.

06-27-2007, 02:26 PM	#78
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	That's fine, neither do I.

06-27-2007, 03:33 PM	#80
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	At my workplace we have had a few issues with people refusing to work well with our Indian sysadmin. She speaks with a heavy accent and this causes some people to not want to do anything for her. When I say "some people" I mean colocation facilities that we pay $1-2000 a month, partly for their help getting things done. This is only a problem at 3 out of about 150 locations, so there's that. They are all in the South and I refuse to find that a coincidence. I have not noticed any specific white-on-black racism in a long time. I have noticed a ton of black-on-white racism.

06-28-2007, 03:08 AM	#90
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	I don't know, I get the feeling that many of those who talk so much about their hate for others, actually base their lives on it. Like a desperate grasp to feel better about themselves. That's why these groups form, I think.

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