What do you hear when people say freedom?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Uh, long winter up there WHIP?

[Undertoad]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_i...#United_States

However, the rate of property crimes is lower in the U.S. than in Canada. For example, in 2006, the rates of vehicle theft were 22% higher in Canada than in the US. Since violent crimes are a small fraction of all crimes, this means that the overall crime rate is actually lower in the U.S. than in Canada.

[Phage0070]

Originally Posted by W.HI.P

first thing that pops to my mind when mentioning the usa is murder.
the purpose of murder being theft.

I wonder why you think murder when the USA is mentioned? Personally, I think murder and theft more when when I hear Colombia, or South Africa. I don't generally think "Ahh, freedom!"

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by Phage0070

I wonder why you think murder when the USA is mentioned? ~snip~

It's all the hobo-killin' what makes him mad.

[henry quirk]

"It's all the hobo-killin' what makes him mad."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[henry quirk]

let me get this right...

'usa' leads to 'murder' leads to 'theft' leads to 'propaganda' leads to
'stupification' leads to 'stupid and powerless masses'

...this is the formula, yes?

i'm sure my sequencing is wrong...doesn't matter...no matter how the above is arranged, it's all bullshit...cog philosophy/politics conduited from those in the would-be politburo to folks who kinda think communitarianism is -- at best -- naive, and -- at worst -- criminal

of course, whip, you can do as you like with your life, time, and resources...orchestrate revolution, if that's what blows your hair back

me: i decline to participate


"its a matter of control and power, not freedom."

on this we agree...'freedom' is a fictional carrot dangled by another

self-possession, on the other hand, is reality

[dar512]

I don't hear "freedom" come up in a conversation too often. When it does come up it is generally someone who wants to do whatever the hell they feel like.

[W.HI.P]

lol
i'm refering to the murder of innocent people away from the usa.
the theft being the cause of the usa sending their military overseas.
i'm refering to the brainwashing of the media that has you all stupified as to whats really going on.

the reason why the word freedom makes me think of these things is because freedom is the word thats used as an excuse for this murder and theft to occur.

this thread asks me to speak my mind.
i'm doing so as honestly as possible.
if you're living in the states and feel some sort of security by this word freedom, than all the power to ya.
keep in mind though, that the only real reason you feel free is cause you're comparing where you live to a third world country.
horseshit, when compared to bullshit may seem like something superior, but nothing changes the fact that its shit.

[xoxoxoBruce]

But our shit and your shit is better than their shit. That's why so many want to leave their shit and come to our shit or your shit. Preferably our shit 'cause your shit is too cold.

[W.HI.P]

thats pretty good bruce.

lets take a few steps back and take a close look at what all this hate is really about.

you have blacks hating whites, and whites hating blacks.
christians hating muslims, and muslims hating christians.
you've got jews hating gentiles, gentiles hating jews
irish hating english, english hating irish.
greeks hating turks, turks hating greeks.

and all those things that they're all saying about each other, pointing.
what they're all talking about is one thing....
all the above are people.
the problem here is not the jew, muslim black or white, greek english, irish or turkish.

its our species...we're all these things we hate so much

lets take an even closer look in the mirror.

we kill, torture or imprison all life, including our own.
it is, without doubt, our nature to do so.
we do so for greed, sport.
we have no respect for any life on this planet, including our own.
face it, we are the scum of the earth.

[classicman]

thread/Fookin' A, W.HI.P got shit goin on outside of the sports arena./pause

[henry quirk]

"we are the scum of the earth"

speak for yourself, and only for yourself

i applaud, as you say, you speaking your mind 'as honestly as possible'

this is a good thing

i too simply speak my mind as honestly as possible

so: when i say you are as hobbled, reactionary, and stupefied as those you decry, you'll take my comment within the context of this thread, and my previous comments in this thread...that is: as an honest expression of opinion

all this...

"we kill, torture or imprison all life, including our own.
it is, without doubt, our nature to do so.
we do so for greed, sport.
we have no respect for any life on this planet, including our own.
face it, we are the scum of the earth"

...which seems to be a summation of your view, is nothing less or more than mickey mouse, high school, pedestrian, bullshit

whip, are you presently torturing or imprisoning anyone?

whip, are you currently tortured or imprisoned by anyone?

whip, are you wholly without respect for any-one or -thing?

whip, if YOU are not tortured, imprisoned, or, are not torturing or imprisoning anyone, then your little coggish diatribe is meaningless

whip, if YOU can muster even one little erg of respect for some-one or -thing, then your little coggish display is for shit.

sure: lots of folks 'kill, torture or imprison' for all kinds of reasons, but not ALL of us do

living is way more colorful and complex than you seem to think

of course: as i said before, you can do as you like with your life, time, and resources...if this means wallowing in a teen's nihilism, then get to it

again: i decline to participate... --henry

[henry quirk]

what i find most deplorable about the simplicities of folks like whip: such simplicities are based on generalizations of behavior, medians of behavior, which tend toward fictionalizations of behavior, which tend toward ignoring the extraordinary in favor of the ordinary

that is: even if 99 assholes shit on the floor, it's criminal to ignore the 1 person who uses the toilet

*shrug*

[W.HI.P]

we determine the nature of the wolf by observing the wolf.
the actions of the wolf determine the wolf's nature.
basically, wolves tend to sink their teeth into the sheeps neck and drinks its blood. thats how it feeds.
humans consume millions of bird fetus's a day.
you could easily say that bird fetus's[eggs] is on our species menu.

now, should there be a wolf in the pack who choses not to sink its teeth into the sheeps neck as to drink its blood... it does not make drinking blood from a sheeps neck any less the nature of the wolf.

should there be a human who chooses not to eat a bird fetus, it does not remove bird fetus's as one of our species main courses.

we've been watching the wolf for quite some time, we kinda have a general idea what the wolf's nature is.
how much do we know about human nature?

we've always killed, we will always kill.
war always was and always will be.

by stepping back and watching our species, we can determine, by the actions of this species throughout time, that we are the crudest thing on this planet.
not that this planet is not crude by nature, but we certainly do take it a step further.

religion intervines here trying to make you believe that you're some kind, gentle, loving species.
how could someone believe in something like that when reality proves otherwise.

you think we own this planet?
cause we don't.
we are without doubt, the earths greatest enemy.

[monster]

Originally Posted by W.HI.P

we determine the nature of the wolf by observing the wolf.
the actions of the wolf determine the wolf's nature.
basically, wolves tend to sink their teeth into the sheeps neck and drinks its blood. thats how it feeds.
.

That's why she's in the nuthouse.....