What's upsetting you today? - Page 609

richlevy · 03-19-2013, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisinhouston

I am upset about 3 things:

1. My body clock is all off from flying back from Hawaii

And I'm upset that I'm not the one flying back from Hawaii since it presumes that at some point there was flying to Hawaii.

It's sort of like complaining about lack of sleep due to the two supermodels in your bed taking turns all night.

And if it was a business trip, I still want in. It's better to be doing business in Hawaii in March than in Schenectady.

footfootfoot · 03-19-2013, 08:47 PM

We've got an astro turf organization up here that is opposed to the removal of PCBs from the Hudson river for a variety of specious reasons that are self contradictory if you look at them even cursorially. They claim to be stewards of the river. Turns out, they are funded by the very same corporation that is on the hook for the cost of cleanup.

I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! [/Renault]

orthodoc · 03-19-2013, 09:21 PM

Opposed to the removal of PCBs from the river ... now there's stewardship for you.

footfootfoot · 03-19-2013, 09:28 PM

Their logic runs, The PCBs are all at the bottom and the river is now healthy, if you dredge the PCBs up to remove them, then the river will become irreparably polluted.

So, the river being healthy now is the result of the magical, one time only settling of PCBs?

You still can't eat the fish from the river, PCBs or not. More like if we set a precedent of culpability for polluting this river then we'll be on the hook for cleaning all the other rivers we polluted.

orthodoc · 03-19-2013, 09:39 PM

Healthy by their definition, maybe. Sounds like they've already done irreparable damage. They should NOT be able to dump PCBs into a river and then claim that no clean-up is appropriate because the toxins have settled out on the river bottom.

Wish I had more faith in the EPA ...

Griff · 03-20-2013, 06:42 AM

Bringing good things to life.

ZenGum · 03-20-2013, 08:59 AM

I remember reading about a situation of exactly the same details - just can't recall the name.

In 1999.

Almost certainly the same one. Pricks are just stalling.

Cause if you're CEO, you can spend 10 million on stalling or 150 million on cleanups, and only one of those options is going to get you a big fat bonus.

All together now: "We have a fiduciary duty to maximize returns for our shareholders. Fuck everyone else."

Pete Zicato · 03-20-2013, 11:21 AM

Read Zodiac: an eco-thriller. It's not only a fast moving, smart-ass, action thriller, but you will never look at pollution the same way again.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-20-2013, 11:37 AM

But if they disturb the PCBs/sediment, it flows all the way to Long Island Sound, fucking up the entire river and New York Harbor.

They made a similar case for the Delaware River, until they decided they needed to dredge for deeper ship channels. Then it was "different", and they dumped it in Jersey.

footfootfoot · 03-20-2013, 01:22 PM

Different can make all the difference in the world.

Clodfobble · 03-20-2013, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Zicato

Read Zodiac: an eco-thriller. It's not only a fast moving, smart-ass, action thriller, but you will never look at pollution the same way again.

I loved the part where the main character said something along the lines of, "That's 15 times the legal limit!" and then lets the reader know that actually, its more like 15,000 times the legal limit, but people can't cope with numbers like that, it's too unreal to get indignant about, so he has to say 15 times to get the right amount of shock from people.

Pete Zicato · 03-20-2013, 04:28 PM

And pateots as a measurement.

"Period at the end of this sentence. "

Aliantha · 03-20-2013, 09:48 PM

A very old friend of mine had a brain tumour removed a bit over a year ago and went through all sorts of suffering with the radiation and chemo afterwards and a few months ago, they found the tumour has come back, so he's once again had his skull opened up and the tumour removed, causing disfiguration to his face and many other indignities, and now he's going through the whole treatment process again.

The thing that's upsetting me about this now is that he seems to have lost his fight. It seems like he's just sick of it all and could easily just give up.

I am upset and concerned that he's not going to beat things mentally.

Anyway, I'd be a lot more upset if I were the one with the cancer, but watching people around me having to fight it is upsetting. It's upsetting because there's not really a lot I can do, and that's the part that hurts the most.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-20-2013, 10:17 PM

That's a shame, Ali. I think it's pretty well a given, if the patient gives up, it's really bad for the prognosis.

Aliantha · 03-20-2013, 11:26 PM

Yep. Its what happened with Mum. She got sick of the fight and just gave up. I hope my friend can find his way forward again. He's been a volunteer lofesaver all his adult life. He's a great member of the community. He's a loving husband and he's just one of those people everyone is glad to know. His lif is worth living.

03-19-2013, 08:47 PM	#9122
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	We've got an astro turf organization up here that is opposed to the removal of PCBs from the Hudson river for a variety of specious reasons that are self contradictory if you look at them even cursorially. They claim to be stewards of the river. Turns out, they are funded by the very same corporation that is on the hook for the cost of cleanup. I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! [/Renault] __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

03-19-2013, 09:21 PM	#9123
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	Opposed to the removal of PCBs from the river ... now there's stewardship for you. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

03-19-2013, 09:28 PM	#9124
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	Their logic runs, The PCBs are all at the bottom and the river is now healthy, if you dredge the PCBs up to remove them, then the river will become irreparably polluted. So, the river being healthy now is the result of the magical, one time only settling of PCBs? You still can't eat the fish from the river, PCBs or not. More like if we set a precedent of culpability for polluting this river then we'll be on the hook for cleaning all the other rivers we polluted. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

03-19-2013, 09:39 PM	#9125
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	Healthy by their definition, maybe. Sounds like they've already done irreparable damage. They should NOT be able to dump PCBs into a river and then claim that no clean-up is appropriate because the toxins have settled out on the river bottom. Wish I had more faith in the EPA ... __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

03-20-2013, 06:42 AM	#9126
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Bringing good things to life. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

03-20-2013, 08:59 AM	#9127
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	I remember reading about a situation of exactly the same details - just can't recall the name. In 1999. Almost certainly the same one. Pricks are just stalling. Cause if you're CEO, you can spend 10 million on stalling or 150 million on cleanups, and only one of those options is going to get you a big fat bonus. All together now: "We have a fiduciary duty to maximize returns for our shareholders. Fuck everyone else." __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

03-20-2013, 11:21 AM	#9128
Pete Zicato Turns out my CRS is a symptom of TMB. Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 2,916	Read Zodiac: an eco-thriller. It's not only a fast moving, smart-ass, action thriller, but you will never look at pollution the same way again. __________________ Talk nerdy to me.

03-20-2013, 11:37 AM	#9129
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	But if they disturb the PCBs/sediment, it flows all the way to Long Island Sound, fucking up the entire river and New York Harbor. They made a similar case for the Delaware River, until they decided they needed to dredge for deeper ship channels. Then it was "different", and they dumped it in Jersey. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-20-2013, 01:22 PM	#9130
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	Different can make all the difference in the world. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

03-20-2013, 04:28 PM	#9132
Pete Zicato Turns out my CRS is a symptom of TMB. Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 2,916	And pateots as a measurement. "Period at the end of this sentence. " __________________ Talk nerdy to me.

03-20-2013, 09:48 PM	#9133
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	A very old friend of mine had a brain tumour removed a bit over a year ago and went through all sorts of suffering with the radiation and chemo afterwards and a few months ago, they found the tumour has come back, so he's once again had his skull opened up and the tumour removed, causing disfiguration to his face and many other indignities, and now he's going through the whole treatment process again. The thing that's upsetting me about this now is that he seems to have lost his fight. It seems like he's just sick of it all and could easily just give up. I am upset and concerned that he's not going to beat things mentally. Anyway, I'd be a lot more upset if I were the one with the cancer, but watching people around me having to fight it is upsetting. It's upsetting because there's not really a lot I can do, and that's the part that hurts the most. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-20-2013, 10:17 PM	#9134
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	That's a shame, Ali. I think it's pretty well a given, if the patient gives up, it's really bad for the prognosis. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-20-2013, 11:26 PM	#9135
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Yep. Its what happened with Mum. She got sick of the fight and just gave up. I hope my friend can find his way forward again. He's been a volunteer lofesaver all his adult life. He's a great member of the community. He's a loving husband and he's just one of those people everyone is glad to know. His lif is worth living. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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