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Happy Monkey · 06-05-2018, 02:33 PM

I saw this:
https://www.scouter.com/topic/13625-...-alternatives/
It's an old thread, and it may be too late to schedule most of them even if they are still available, but there might be something there.

If you do find something that only takes a week, for example, you might be able to find a few nearby day trips. My troop did a tour of Alaska, which was made up of just sequential day trips.

glatt · 06-05-2018, 05:49 PM

Thanks HM. I'll dig into this.

I've been busy at work lately and haven't had time to research as much as I would like to. Other people are like "we should do something cool instead. Plan our own trip." They have no idea how much work it is to line up permits, find available sites, etc. etc. Our 12 person crew exceeds the permitted size of a back country group in some national parks.
And we're competing with literally hundreds of other crews to find slots.

A big part of me is wishing everyone just says they are dropping out, and then I will fly to Colorado with my son and take a vacation there. Get some hiking in, just the two of us, and visit the sites. Sleep on BLM land for free.

Clodfobble · 06-06-2018, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt

Other people are like "we should do something cool instead. Plan our own trip." They have no idea how much work it is

I utterly despise dealing with this attitude. As if having the idea was the hard part, and now someone else can just whip the details together. Even when you try to rope them in on specific responsibilities, they act like you're just making it more complicated by involving them.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-06-2018, 08:20 PM

It's hard to make the kids, and their parent's lawyers, happy.

glatt · 06-07-2018, 04:57 PM

I've been too busy to update, but things are really working out well.

I found a High Adventure back country Boy Scout camp in Northern Montana that had an opening. It's a week long and looks really cool. It will fill the second half of our canceled trip. One of my co-leaders found another Scout camp in the Black Hills of South Dakota the week before that will fill up the first part of our trip. And we have a few days in between, which we will need to road trip between those places.

So we fly in to Denver, immediately hit the road to get to South Dakota. We visit Crazy Horse and Mount Rushmore. Maybe even the Badlands and absolutely Devils Tower. Sleep in the camp every night. Maybe get a swim or an afternoon in on the ropes course. And then take two days to drive way up to the NW corner of Montana to learn how to fly fish as we hike through back country mountains and valleys for a week.

I was super pessimistic the last two days but talking to Scouts literally all across the country has restored my faith in humans. Everyone I reached out to at camps from Utah to Virginia was super friendly and helpful. They all wanted to be part of the solution.

There were over 1,000 crews that were displaced by the fire at Philmont and we were all in a mosh pit of phone calls and emails trying to land a plan B.

I'm thrilled it worked out for us.

We may even swing by Yellowstone on our way back to the Denver airport.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-07-2018, 05:30 PM

Good news, glad it worked out.

Griff · 06-07-2018, 05:59 PM

Nice!

Happy Monkey · 06-07-2018, 06:18 PM

Awesome

monster · 06-07-2018, 06:49 PM

That's fantastic, I'm so happy for you, that will be an amazing trip

glatt · 06-07-2018, 07:33 PM

I was talking to my wife about it a little while ago. She made a point that resonated with me. We live in a crowded city full of type A personalities. We are used to having to compete against other people all the time in order to get to do anything.

Philmont had instructed all 1,000 plus displaced crews to wait to be called in turn and have their options spelled out for them. It's been 3 days and Philmont still hasn't made it through the crews before us to give us a call. I am so used to competing against the throngs that it didn't even occur to me to wait for a call. I pounced, and slowly at that. I poked around the web for a day, sent a few emails, but didn't pick up a telephone until about 40 hours had gone by. About 6 hours after picking up the phone we had a solution.

I wonder how many crews are out there just waiting for the call from Philmont before they act?

xoxoxoBruce · 06-07-2018, 08:39 PM

Is this new itinerary more expensive for the crew?

glatt · 06-07-2018, 09:42 PM

Probably not.
Maybe.
It's going to be close.
If we go over, it will be the gasoline that does it. 2 minivans driving 30 hours each. Plus a couple extra meals out. And one hotel.

But the programs are about $200 less pp total.
It will be close.
We'll see.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-07-2018, 10:03 PM

That's reasonable for a last minute scramble, good job.

limey · 06-08-2018, 12:30 AM

Superb news!

Sent by magick

monster · 06-08-2018, 12:31 AM

Let us know how much you're off by if you end up off, maybe we can cover it

06-05-2018, 02:33 PM	#991
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I saw this: https://www.scouter.com/topic/13625-...-alternatives/ It's an old thread, and it may be too late to schedule most of them even if they are still available, but there might be something there. If you do find something that only takes a week, for example, you might be able to find a few nearby day trips. My troop did a tour of Alaska, which was made up of just sequential day trips. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

06-06-2018, 08:20 PM	#994
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	It's hard to make the kids, and their parent's lawyers, happy. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-07-2018, 05:30 PM	#996
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Good news, glad it worked out. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-07-2018, 05:59 PM	#997
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Nice! __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

06-07-2018, 06:18 PM	#998
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Awesome __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

06-05-2018, 05:49 PM	#992
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Thanks HM. I'll dig into this. I've been busy at work lately and haven't had time to research as much as I would like to. Other people are like "we should do something cool instead. Plan our own trip." They have no idea how much work it is to line up permits, find available sites, etc. etc. Our 12 person crew exceeds the permitted size of a back country group in some national parks. And we're competing with literally hundreds of other crews to find slots. A big part of me is wishing everyone just says they are dropping out, and then I will fly to Colorado with my son and take a vacation there. Get some hiking in, just the two of us, and visit the sites. Sleep on BLM land for free.

06-07-2018, 04:57 PM	#995
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I've been too busy to update, but things are really working out well. I found a High Adventure back country Boy Scout camp in Northern Montana that had an opening. It's a week long and looks really cool. It will fill the second half of our canceled trip. One of my co-leaders found another Scout camp in the Black Hills of South Dakota the week before that will fill up the first part of our trip. And we have a few days in between, which we will need to road trip between those places. So we fly in to Denver, immediately hit the road to get to South Dakota. We visit Crazy Horse and Mount Rushmore. Maybe even the Badlands and absolutely Devils Tower. Sleep in the camp every night. Maybe get a swim or an afternoon in on the ropes course. And then take two days to drive way up to the NW corner of Montana to learn how to fly fish as we hike through back country mountains and valleys for a week. I was super pessimistic the last two days but talking to Scouts literally all across the country has restored my faith in humans. Everyone I reached out to at camps from Utah to Virginia was super friendly and helpful. They all wanted to be part of the solution. There were over 1,000 crews that were displaced by the fire at Philmont and we were all in a mosh pit of phone calls and emails trying to land a plan B. I'm thrilled it worked out for us. We may even swing by Yellowstone on our way back to the Denver airport.

06-07-2018, 06:49 PM	#999
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	That's fantastic, I'm so happy for you, that will be an amazing trip __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

06-07-2018, 07:33 PM	#1000
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I was talking to my wife about it a little while ago. She made a point that resonated with me. We live in a crowded city full of type A personalities. We are used to having to compete against other people all the time in order to get to do anything. Philmont had instructed all 1,000 plus displaced crews to wait to be called in turn and have their options spelled out for them. It's been 3 days and Philmont still hasn't made it through the crews before us to give us a call. I am so used to competing against the throngs that it didn't even occur to me to wait for a call. I pounced, and slowly at that. I poked around the web for a day, sent a few emails, but didn't pick up a telephone until about 40 hours had gone by. About 6 hours after picking up the phone we had a solution. I wonder how many crews are out there just waiting for the call from Philmont before they act?

06-07-2018, 08:39 PM	#1001
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Is this new itinerary more expensive for the crew? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-07-2018, 09:42 PM	#1002
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Probably not. Maybe. It's going to be close. If we go over, it will be the gasoline that does it. 2 minivans driving 30 hours each. Plus a couple extra meals out. And one hotel. But the programs are about $200 less pp total. It will be close. We'll see.

06-07-2018, 10:03 PM	#1003
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	That's reasonable for a last minute scramble, good job. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-08-2018, 12:30 AM	#1004
limey Encroaching on your decrees Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An island within the south-west coast of Scotland Posts: 7,016	Superb news! Sent by magick __________________ Living it up on the edge ... of civilisation, within the southwest coast of

06-08-2018, 12:31 AM	#1005
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Let us know how much you're off by if you end up off, maybe we can cover it __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

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