Immigration

[Undertoad]

xoB's talents most definitely go towards winning the war. Of that I have no doubt.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

I fear my doubts are not reduced by that, UT. Elucidate?

[Undertoad]

He builds war machines.

[Shocker]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

He builds war machines.

It would help more if he was a stealthy ninja LOL

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

I don't see you exerting your talents towards something creative like winning the war, Bruce. All your ilk can be indicted on that score.

You know only what I expressed here. That we have done a bad job in Afghanistan which will bite us badly in the near future. And, invading Iraq was a mistake predicated on lies.

However, you have no clue as to what I "do" or even who my "ilk" are. Placing me in one pigeon slot or another doesn't make it so, it just makes your "fer us or agin us" position more ludicrous.

Gee, I hope I haven't offended UG. I'm so afraid he'll pummel me with his rapier wit and patriotic righteousness.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Consider yourself pummeled. At least until we get some detail of the war machines. Tell, tell.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Sea Knights, Chinooks, Apache Longbows & V-22.

[Griff]

Of course with the V-22 you could be accused of working for the other side.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Homeland Security?

Yes, this is 20951.

Yes, I have it...G R I F F T O P I A.... got that?

When?

Remember, don't hurt the women or goats.

Thank you, but I feel it's my duty....as an American, Sir.

Heil Bu....ah, er, Goodbye.

@xoxoxoBruce: Say, I've jumped the Chinook from about 9,000 ft. (at or near it's service ceiling). Thanks for the ride up!

[xoxoxoBruce]

It's service ceiling in closer to twice that.

Of course, I misspoke. I should have said that the jump was at or near our service ceiling (approx. 10,500 ft. ) as we had not rigged the aircraft with an oxygen console and we weren't jumping with O2. From other aircraft, I've gotten several 18,500 ft. [22,000 ft. on a good day] jumps in (both HALO and HAHO). I never got the elusive 33,000 ft. jump. Flying around for 30 minutes, while the jumpers pre-breathed pure O2 to purge the nitrogen from their systems, just got too expensive for Uncle Sam.

[xoxoxoBruce]

You bring up an interesting point. When operating in mountainous terrain, like Afghanistan, they routinely fly at 14, 15 or more thousand feet. Of course the crew have oxygen but I've never seen any provision for the troops they ferry. I'll have to ask.

xoB,

It was always BYO-O2 for me. We had transportable tanks and regulator systems with multiple service outlets (O2 console) that we would anchor inside an aircraft for those of us in coach.

It's been interesting to see how this "Immigration" thread has crossed over into aspects of the war on terrorism. It seems that the battle abroad and the battle on the home front are inextricably intertwined by politics.

BTW, many people do not realize that there are US Special Forces (a.k.a. Green Beret) National Guard units. They are specialists in unconventional warfare [including counterinsurgency operations and strategic reconnaissance] and they have already served in Afghanistan. Will they be deployed along the US border? I've previously posted the opinion "...I'm confident we will win the undeclared war on illegals." in another thread. I based my assessment of the situation upon this capability and the impact of the border threat upon our politicians. It was an educated guess: my military service was as an active duty SFer. Here's a handy listing of SF units (past and present) for anyone interested.

[tw]

Originally Posted by NoBoxes

It's been interesting to see how this "Immigration" thread has crossed over into aspects of the war on terrorism. It seems that the battle abroad and the battle on the home front are inextricably intertwined by politics.

It's called spin. There is no war on terrorism. Where are all these terrorists massing on borders waiting to kill Americans? It's called TV fiction - where too many get reality. This hype because a president (actually Karl Rove) knows how to push 'our buttons'. So easy to manipulate those hyped on testosterone and TV shows such as The Unit. Get real.

We have various law enforcement problems. Had the George Jr administration not repeatedly stifled law enforcement, then 11 September would have not happened. But if you finally learn that fact, then the next step is to learn who really was most irresponsible before, on, and after 11 September. So they must hype a lie - spin a war on terrorism. Did we not have a movie with Dustin Hoffman doing the exact same thing that George Jr, el al do? The Mission Accomplished war is nothing more than what Japan did in Pearl Harbor. It has zero - ZERO - to do with terror.

Terrorism is a law enforcement problem. Only part of that problem that required military assistance was Afghanistan. Illegal immigration is a threat to the US? Total nonsense. Nonsense promoted on lies such as "they are all living fat and happy on the social services in Norristown PA". Or that those "illegal immigration channels are perfect avenues for terrorists". These myths so easy to promote when one does not first learn what illegal immigration is about and involves.

War on Terror? Look overseas. Are terrorists entering Europe to attack? Of course not. Even in Europe, attacks are from their own people. Do you forget who Timothy McVeigh was? Karl Rove hopes you forget. If it served Karl Rove's agenda, he also would be promoting riots in France as terrorism. I have no doubt some here then would be posting same. Some post using testosterone as gray matter.

It's nothing more than a law enforcement problem. In the case of illegal immigration, it is a problem created, in part, by silly laws to restrict the number of immigrants, to punish them with forms, waiting lines, and major lawyer bills. It is a problem we have created for ourselves - and then blame others.

There is zero relation between illegal immigration and terrorism - except when they have grabbed your prick to get your attention. By squishing to thoughts together and creating pain, then those who do their thinking there are easily manipulated by this Rush Limbaugh / Karl Rove logic.

Illegal immigration is a problem created by economic perversion in government AND by economics problems created, in part, by those same ridiculous laws. To spin you in circles, they would have you associate fear (hype about terrorism) and illegal immigration.

Get off the silly "war on terrorism" rhetoric. Its a phrase designed only for those who did not first ask some embarrassing questions. An expression they need to get lemmings to blindly follow "glorious leader" .... to hell. Had the George Jr administration done its jobs, then even 11 September would not happen. So instead, a mental midget administration blames CIA, et al.

Do you also believe that lie – a CIA failure? If so, then get down on your prayer carpet, point towards Washington DC, and god's choosen president. They spin. They are experts at spinning lies when too many Americans have a liberal arts, tree hugger, or big bad gun world perspective.