Sexual history doesn't matter? Who would marry a porn star?

[KinkyVixen]

I think that all the wondering, worrying, asking is pointless...we'll never know the true design because we weren't the ones that designed it. If you know right from wrong, and you know what you believe, go with that, do your best. Do it with the right intentions. The motive behind what you do says a lot more than the actual action itself, in the end at least, and probably weighs on how you actually feel about yourself afterwards.

[yesman065]

I found this article today - perhaps it explains BM's position. Since he hasn't been posting - I'll do it for him (even though I TOTALLY DISAGREE)

Outrage as Muslim cleric likens women to 'uncovered meat'
By RICHARD SHEARS

A Muslim cleric's claim that women who do not wear the veil are like 'uncovered meat' who attract sexual predators sparked outrage around Australia yesterday.

Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, the nation's most senior Muslim cleric, compared immodestly-dressed women who do not wear the Islamic headdress with meat that is left uncovered in the street and is then eaten by cats.

Politicians including Prime Minister John Howard, community leaders and a large number of Muslims condemned the mufti's comments amid calls that he should be deported to Egypt, his country of origin.

He has since been forced to apologise for his remarks.

In a Ramadam sermon in a Sydney mosque, Sheik al-Hilali suggested that a group of Muslim men recently jailed for many years for gang rapes were not entirely to blame.

There were women, he said, who 'sway suggestively' and wore make-up and immodest dress "and then you get a judge without mercy and gives you 65 years. But the problem, but the problem all began with who?" he said, referring to the women victims.

Addressing 500 worshippers on the topic of adultery, Sheik al-Hilali added: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it..whose fault is it - the cats or the uncovered meat?

"The uncovered meat is the problem."
He went on: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab (veil), no problem would have occurred."

Women, he said, were 'weapons' used by Satan to control men.

[yesman065]

Not sure if that belongs here, but I thought I'd post it and see what you guys/gals and others thought.

[Stormieweather]

Politicians including Prime Minister John Howard, community leaders and a large number of Muslims condemned the mufti's comments amid calls that he should be deported to Egypt, his country of origin.

He has since been forced to apologise for his remarks.

The majority of Muslims disagree and find such remarks offensive.

Not that much different from the 'she was asking for it' or 'no really meant yes' defense used in many US rape cases.

[DucksNuts]

Originally Posted by yesman065

Women, he said, were 'weapons' used by Satan to control men.

[Pie]

Originally Posted by yesman065

Wow that's a really profound statement - my response may not belong on this thread, but my bro & I were discussing that last night. As a somewhat religious person (God and I have an understanding) I find it incredibly difficult for me to hold up to my beliefs. To be able to do what I think I should all the time - its rather confusing and I'm rather confused (as you all know) but interesting nonetheless. Lately, I wonder if its that way for ev-1 or is it just me?

Self-doubt and self-examination are what keep us from becoming monsters. Really, it's healthy.

[Aliantha]

My husband sometimes thinks Satan is in control of me.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by yesman065

Women, he said, were 'weapons' used by Satan to control men.

It's a dirty job, but somebody has to do it.

Luckily, I'm up for it.

Originally Posted by yesman065

I found this article today - perhaps it explains BM's position. Since he hasn't been posting - I'll do it for him (even though I TOTALLY DISAGREE)

Outrage as Muslim cleric likens women to 'uncovered meat'
By RICHARD SHEARS

A Muslim cleric's claim that women who do not wear the veil are like 'uncovered meat' who attract sexual predators sparked outrage around Australia yesterday.

Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, the nation's most senior Muslim cleric, compared immodestly-dressed women who do not wear the Islamic headdress with meat that is left uncovered in the street and is then eaten by cats.

Politicians including Prime Minister John Howard, community leaders and a large number of Muslims condemned the mufti's comments amid calls that he should be deported to Egypt, his country of origin.

He has since been forced to apologise for his remarks.

In a Ramadam sermon in a Sydney mosque, Sheik al-Hilali suggested that a group of Muslim men recently jailed for many years for gang rapes were not entirely to blame.

There were women, he said, who 'sway suggestively' and wore make-up and immodest dress "and then you get a judge without mercy and gives you 65 years. But the problem, but the problem all began with who?" he said, referring to the women victims.

Addressing 500 worshippers on the topic of adultery, Sheik al-Hilali added: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it..whose fault is it - the cats or the uncovered meat?

"The uncovered meat is the problem."
He went on: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab (veil), no problem would have occurred."

Women, he said, were 'weapons' used by Satan to control men.

1) Don't presume to speak for me.

2) The outrage towards those remaks come from the P.C. police.

3) Any father tell his daughters this same self-evident fact; If you dress like a slut you'll be treated as one. The analogy by the cleric may have sounded as if it condoned the assualt but reality it did not. It only, and poorly, made the conduct of the women an issue to be considered.

Date rape, morning after regret, substance abuse that leads to moral and ethical breakdowns in behavior on both indivuduals should be equally weighted in the degree on guilt and fault.

Thats what I think this cleric was saying. As for the devil comment, well, I've heard may women make the same observation of their "sisters" in gender. I think every women would admit that the power men give them in the sex department is intoxicating. But like any power, it can move, and is subject to gross coruption.

[9th Engineer]

Great, so we have the decision equivalent of "he was robbed while waving a gold chain, whos fault". Let me start this with the required statement of 'I do not condone rape under any circumstances whatsoever'. Now that we have that on record can we address the posibility that dressing provocitavly inherently raises the risk of sexual assault? It makes sense.

[Clodfobble]

What is provocative, 9th? According to the cleric, it's swaying suggestively, wearing makeup, and not wearing the Islamic headdress. By that argument, American women must be sexually assaulted in vastly higher numbers than Muslim women... but they aren't. It would seem clear that the risk of sexual assault is directly proportional to the men's lack of self-control, not the dress of the women.


Going outside of my house inherently raises my risk of being mugged. That doesn't make it my responsibility to stay indoors.

[9th Engineer]

Right, now I'm not saying it causes anything. It's a risk, and I want to acknoledge the fact that it can be a stupid risk without using some forsight. Again, it's like saying that wearing a really expensive suit and a Rolex in a bad part of town is a stupid thing to do. In most places there's no problem, and it certainly doesn't take one iota of culpability off of the muggers.

[Aliantha]

Where I live is quite hot most of the year and women commonly wear fewer clothes than in other parts of the world. A big part of this is due to the humidity. Why should women sweat like pigs just because some men think it's unseemly for them to show skin?

[Elspode]

Using Muslim clerical logic, there should be about fifty rapes per Pagan festival each year. Lots of nekkid womens there. I'll let you know when we have our first one.

[Aliantha]

If every woman in Australia was raped because she was showing flesh, there'd be no unraped women here.