Partisan politics - Page 7

Aliantha · 06-19-2008, 09:09 PM

You're not putting yourself at risk if you've made an informed decision. Having made the decision means you've considered the risks and decided that the risks are worth the reward.

Like when I go home tonight and have sex with my husband. He wont be controlling my body. I will. He'll just be pleasuring it.

flaja · 06-20-2008, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

You're not putting yourself at risk if you've made an informed decision. Having made the decision means you've considered the risks and decided that the risks are worth the reward.

Like when I go home tonight and have sex with my husband. He wont be controlling my body. I will. He'll just be pleasuring it.

Which means that you still have put yourself at risk so you still are giving someone else some input into what happens to your body. You have not maintained total control over your body.

glatt · 06-20-2008, 08:37 AM

...just like walking down the street.

classicman · 06-19-2008, 09:45 PM

Thanks Ali - I thought it was just me there for a bit.

Aliantha · 06-19-2008, 09:56 PM

So if I infect you with a cold, I'm taking control of your body...by flaja's reasoning of course.

flaja · 06-20-2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

So if I infect you with a cold, I'm taking control of your body...by flaja's reasoning of course.

If you did so intentionally or if I willfully went out of my way to let you do it while you did nothing to keep from doing it, then yes.

DanaC · 06-20-2008, 08:58 AM

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abortion is not a liberal or conservative issue. It is a moral issue.

Now, see, that's the thing about morality: it highly subjective. I consider myself to be a very moral person; however, my moral compass is set somewhat differently to yours.

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You cannot be liberal or conservative on abortion, you can only be right and wrong.

Both sides of the debate think that they are right and that the other side is wrong.

flaja · 06-20-2008, 11:05 AM

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Now, see, that's the thing about morality: it highly subjective.

No it is not. You are either right or wrong by the only standards that matter: God’s.

Flint · 06-20-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by flaja

No it is not. You are either right or wrong by the only standards that matter: God’s.

Grudgingly, I have to respond to this. Assuming that God has established absolute moral standards, how are we to determine what they are?

If, as is the case, all we have to go on are books written by men about God, then surely it's safer to assume that their assumptions about God's moral standards are just that: human conjecture, and therefore fallible.

To apply infallibility to a human idea is not only foolish, it's dangerous. We all have an incomplete idea of what God's moral standards are.

I find it extremely insulting to God that we assume we would even be able to wrap our puny minds around his omnipotent reasoning.

TheMercenary · 06-20-2008, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by flaja

No it is not. You are either right or wrong by the only standards that matter: God’s.

You will have to go straight to hell for that one.

DanaC · 06-20-2008, 11:38 AM

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No it is not. You are either right or wrong by the only standards that matter: God’s.

Given that I do not believe in the existence of God, that kind of 'logic' doesn't really carry any weight with me.

flaja · 06-20-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Given that I do not believe in the existence of God, that kind of 'logic' doesn't really carry any weight with me.

I guess that means I could track you down and bash your head and then justify my actions by saying say my moral standards say such behavior is OK.

lookout123 · 06-20-2008, 02:27 PM

if you can convince the rest of society to overturn the laws outlawing murder beforehand? sure. otherwise you'd be breaking a law regardless of what you believe to be moral or immoral. great example though, troll.

flaja · 06-20-2008, 02:32 PM

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if you can convince the rest of society to overturn the laws outlawing murder beforehand? sure. otherwise you'd be breaking a law regardless of what you believe to be moral or immoral. great example though, troll.

If morality is a subjective concept, why do we have laws against murder?

Cicero · 06-20-2008, 12:22 PM

Except for malpractice cases flaja. Those are taken seriously by courts. Under duress or not.

If it is a malpractice suit, then that agreement is actually disregarded until the truth of the incidences come to light. You can make all the claims you want with that trivial piece of paper in place. Your hospital can fight it all they want, but no judge will laugh when the wrong leg has been dismembered. Because it isn't funny unless you are me, and it isn't my leg.

No matter what you sign, you still have rights under the protections of the law. It's funny that you claim you work in a hospital, and think that judges laugh at patient claims. I don't think you know what you are saying really.

I do not even approve of your contractual metaphor, in regards to your so-called moral issues.

06-19-2008, 09:09 PM	#1
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	You're not putting yourself at risk if you've made an informed decision. Having made the decision means you've considered the risks and decided that the risks are worth the reward. Like when I go home tonight and have sex with my husband. He wont be controlling my body. I will. He'll just be pleasuring it. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

06-19-2008, 09:45 PM	#4
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Thanks Ali - I thought it was just me there for a bit. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

06-19-2008, 09:56 PM	#5
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	So if I infect you with a cold, I'm taking control of your body...by flaja's reasoning of course. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

06-20-2008, 02:27 PM	#13
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	if you can convince the rest of society to overturn the laws outlawing murder beforehand? sure. otherwise you'd be breaking a law regardless of what you believe to be moral or immoral. great example though, troll. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

06-20-2008, 12:22 PM	#15
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	Except for malpractice cases flaja. Those are taken seriously by courts. Under duress or not. If it is a malpractice suit, then that agreement is actually disregarded until the truth of the incidences come to light. You can make all the claims you want with that trivial piece of paper in place. Your hospital can fight it all they want, but no judge will laugh when the wrong leg has been dismembered. Because it isn't funny unless you are me, and it isn't my leg. No matter what you sign, you still have rights under the protections of the law. It's funny that you claim you work in a hospital, and think that judges laugh at patient claims. I don't think you know what you are saying really. I do not even approve of your contractual metaphor, in regards to your so-called moral issues. __________________ Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.- Carl Jung Last edited by Cicero; 06-20-2008 at 12:31 PM.

06-20-2008, 08:37 AM	#3
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	...just like walking down the street.

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