Mosque at 51 Park Place, NY, NY - Page 8

TheMercenary · 08-08-2010, 09:18 PM

Tw spouts:

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Be careful what you tell extremists. They will quote anything that promotes their political agenda.

Which is why this Nazi spouts off the party line of the Obama/Pelosi Cabal. Drink the water scumbag.....

TheMercenary · 08-08-2010, 09:23 PM

Undertoad · 08-08-2010, 09:48 PM

that's enough now

classicman · 08-08-2010, 10:29 PM

I was talking in general about the position thats been debated about the connection between the 9/11 extremists being the posterboys for islam.

Should there be a mosque there? I don't really like it. If I had my choice, no. But where then does the line get drawn? 10 blocks? 1 mile? 5 miles??? There is no clear answer.

On the other hand there are those that see everything Muslim as bad. I disagree with that point of view as well.

There are those who see all of Islam as bad. I disagree with this too.

There are those who claim that "they" are treating this like a dog marking its territory. Spain is used to support this position. If thats the case ... well I won't go there.
Still others say they are using our laws and freedoms against us and this is a grand conspiracy... uh ok.

If, and its a big if, this mosque is part of or funded by those who perpetrated the 9/11 attack, then I think there should be a clear link drawn and the project refused. I have, as of yet, not seen that link.

piercehawkeye45 · 08-09-2010, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

If, and its a big if, this mosque is part of or funded by those who perpetrated the 9/11 attack, then I think there should be a clear link drawn and the project refused. I have, as of yet, not seen that link.

I doubt that would ever happen because this is one of the situations where the problem pretty much solves itself.

If the people running the mosque has any legitimate connections with terrorists, the CIA and FBI would (hopefully) be down the their asses instantly. If you run a mosque two blocks from ground zero you basically are painting a very big target on you.

tw · 08-09-2010, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Should there be a mosque there? I don't really like it. If I had my choice, no.

No only because you associate 11 September with a hate of Islam. There is no valid relationship between Islam and 11 September. A moderate does not care whether is it is called a church, synagogue, temple, oracle, or mosque. No relation to 11 September exists if ignoring wacko extremist rhetoric. The same rhetoric that preaches IslamoFascism.

I love it when TheMercenary replies. He demonstrate the hate that underlies extremist politics. The only reason we are discussing this mosque: so many believe lies and hate promoted by wacko extremists. The same hate that TheMercenary posts at me - and uses to constantly attack Obama.

The enemy is bin Laden. Some extremists are so full of hate to automatically associate a mosque and Islam with 11 September. Islam is a convenient target to power extremism. For Hitler, it was the Jews. Hate empowers extremists. If you have any problem with that mosque, then you are too entrenched in the hate advocated by extremism.

This thread exists only because too many are brainwashed in the hate and fear of Muslims. Notice how often the routine extremists have posted. Notice how easy they get angry when the reasons for their hate is identified. Too many conveniently forget who the enemy is – bin Laden - not that mosque and not Islam.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-09-2010, 02:11 PM

But there's not a complete disconnect, that's what makes it difficult. Separating radical Islamics from the rest is probably easier in person, in that they're the ones trying to kill you, than it is in the abstract.
Of course not making that distinction is intellectually, and morally, lazy, but certainly easier, and makes for more compact sound bites.

classicman · 08-09-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Uh, no.

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The enemy is was bin Laden. Too many conveniently forget who the enemy is was – bin Laden.

Who apparently died several years ago due to heart or kidney malfunction.
This is like a car race. You just keep going in circles.

There has been no sighting of bin Laden since December 2001.
No intelligence has reported anything of himsince 2001.
Most international observers believe bin Laden died years ago.

bin Laden would not have remained silent for so long if he were still alive. He always liked to take credit even for things he had nothing to do with.

bin Laden was often reported to be in poor health & to have a life expectancy of only months perhaps a year back in 2001 & 2002.

tx - You go ahead and beat the drum on the dead guy because its good for YOUR extremist hateful view. You are blind to that reality. Honestly, thats ok. Just leave me the out of it - mmmkay?

Here are a couple more links ...
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/as...rzai.binladen/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2135473.stm
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/eu...binladen.will/

piercehawkeye45 · 08-09-2010, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Who apparently died several years ago due to heart or kidney malfunction.
This is like a car race. You just keep going in circles.

I can't say I've peered into the depths of tw's brain but I'm assuming he is using Osama Bin Ladin as anyone who shares the same extremist world view. Just because Bin Ladin may have died does not mean the same anti-western philosophies don't exist and thrive in certain areas of the world. Bin Ladin's direct influence is probably extremely low even if he did survive to this day. But, he will live on as a symbol for a long time.

classicman · 08-09-2010, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I can't say I've peered into the depths of tw's brain

tw · 08-09-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I can't say I've peered into the depths of tw's brain but I'm assuming he is using Osama Bin Ladin as anyone who shares the same extremist world view.

As I have said many times when Classicman was constantly posting lies about his death: The enemy is bin Laden and his organization called Al Qaeda. But since I was replying again to Classicman, I dumbed it down only to bin Laden. No reason to write it all out. He will not hear it anyway. Limbaugh has not yet told him how to think.

Which changes nothing. This discussion exists because extremists have promoted hate and fear of Islam.

An extremist keep citing himself as a citation to prove bin Laden is dead. Another technique taught in propaganda school. Anything to obfuscate those inciting hate and fear of Muslims. It’s only a mosque. Not an axis of evil – another myth invented by same extremists to create fear and hate. The enemy is bin Laden – and those who invent fear of Muslims for political power. Oh. It’s all Obama’s fault.

Spexxvet · 08-09-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Uh, no.

Who apparently died several years ago due to heart or kidney malfunction.
This is like a car race. You just keep going in circles.

There has been no sighting of bin Laden since December 2001.
No intelligence has reported anything of himsince 2001.
Most international observers believe bin Laden died years ago.

bin Laden would not have remained silent for so long if he were still alive. He always liked to take credit even for things he had nothing to do with.

bin Laden was often reported to be in poor health & to have a life expectancy of only months perhaps a year back in 2001 & 2002.

tx - You go ahead and beat the drum on the dead guy because its good for YOUR extremist hateful view. You are blind to that reality. Honestly, thats ok. Just leave me the out of it - mmmkay?

Here are a couple more links ...
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/as...rzai.binladen/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2135473.stm
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/eu...binladen.will/

BTW, photos/video or it never happened

Shawnee123 · 08-09-2010, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

BTW, photos/video or it never happened

Don't worry, he's ignoring you too. He's told you and told you that!

classicman · 08-09-2010, 09:32 AM

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"Will the victims of an atrocity that happened a few blocks away be distressed?"
Obviously the answer here is yes, but that question is not at the heart of the issue.
In general, zoning decisions based are not made based upon who will be offended, and if Islam were not involved here, I'm sure it wouldn't even be a consideration.

The basic question, which precedes any questions of policy, is "Would it be consistent with American or NYC law to discriminate against a particular religion in zoning decisions?"

Sundae · 08-09-2010, 10:10 AM

What do photos prove? Really?
Clinton shook Gerry Adams' hand.
Yeah, he was a DEMONCRAT, but he was also an American President. Should we raze Catholic Churches to the ground?

Omagh
Manchester

08-08-2010, 09:23 PM	#2
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	__________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

08-08-2010, 10:29 PM	#4
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I was talking in general about the position thats been debated about the connection between the 9/11 extremists being the posterboys for islam. Should there be a mosque there? I don't really like it. If I had my choice, no. But where then does the line get drawn? 10 blocks? 1 mile? 5 miles??? There is no clear answer. On the other hand there are those that see everything Muslim as bad. I disagree with that point of view as well. There are those who see all of Islam as bad. I disagree with this too. There are those who claim that "they" are treating this like a dog marking its territory. Spain is used to support this position. If thats the case ... well I won't go there. Still others say they are using our laws and freedoms against us and this is a grand conspiracy... uh ok. If, and its a big if, this mosque is part of or funded by those who perpetrated the 9/11 attack, then I think there should be a clear link drawn and the project refused. I have, as of yet, not seen that link. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

08-09-2010, 02:11 PM	#7
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	But there's not a complete disconnect, that's what makes it difficult. Separating radical Islamics from the rest is probably easier in person, in that they're the ones trying to kill you, than it is in the abstract. Of course not making that distinction is intellectually, and morally, lazy, but certainly easier, and makes for more compact sound bites. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-09-2010, 10:10 AM	#15
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	What do photos prove? Really? Clinton shook Gerry Adams' hand. Yeah, he was a DEMONCRAT, but he was also an American President. Should we raze Catholic Churches to the ground? Omagh Manchester Attached Images

08-08-2010, 09:48 PM	#3
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	that's enough now

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