Dirt poor?

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by marichiko
You bet I cherish my right to keep and bear arms. I’ll need weapons in the case of any potential libertarian take-over. As a matter of fact, let the Libertarians and all those who espouse similar beliefs set up their own state or their own area of anarchy – however they would define it. Since we all live in the REAL world, I’m sure the good people of say, New Jersey or New Mexico would happily cede a portion of their state to the Libertarians since everyone is so disposed to be in a frenzy of charitable giving. And since the Libertarians are opposed to government handouts, we’ll even let them pay fair market value for their little bit of New Jersey. The sole stipulation will be that they leave for their new territory and never come back. I for one am sick and tired of having to engage with the libertarian voice in matters of national dialog. Bottom line, you don’t WANT a nation, so why don’t you retire from the scene and leave the rest of us in peace?

Go live in your “Libertaria” with no public schools or libraries or system of highways. No public health facilities or police protection or national mail distribution. These things should be no problem in the REAL world, right? There will be no tariffs, so anything and everything will flow freely both ways across their borders. Except people out – you’ve all signed an agreement, remember?

After five years of this experiment with everyone building their own roads and hiring their own thugs to protect them, sending their children to school while the children of the working class be damned (just how many of the working class will sign on for “Libertaria,” anyhow? The American worker is not as dumb as he may look), just how strong a border patrol will the US have to have to keep you crack pots from coming back in to the system you so despise? The current problem on our border with Mexico would pale by comparison. But its OK, Radar, I promise you that in such an event we’ll show you all the sympathy and compassion you have shown for the poor and disabled of your former country. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass when you go. After all, “America – love it or leave it!” Right?

*STANDING OVATION GODDAMNIT!!!*

My God, I was nearly screaming when I read this (not in a bad way). I get so tired of his temper tantrums about how this country should be run, knowing that it's not going to happen anytime soon, and certainly, not THAT many people would agree to it. Hell, as many times as I been told to "go back to Africa", why doesn't he just leave and create his OWN goddamned land, since this land isn't "good enough", or whatever the fuck. Motherfuckdamnittohell already! {/rant} Ok, I'm done now.

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by Undertoad
Remember the names of these people who disagree with you Radar: they are called voters and governing them without their consent is the worst foul possible in politics.

*applause*

That's an awesome statement UT (and perhaps a brilliant sig line as well).

[blue]

You OK now LadySyc??

You do have a way with words.

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by blue58
You OK now LadySyc??

You do have a way with words.

Yeah, I'm cool now. Just letting off a bit of steam.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

[Clodfobble]

why doesn't he just leave and create his OWN goddamned land, since this land isn't "good enough", or whatever the fuck.

Actually, some national Libertarian organization (I forget which one) sort of decided to do just that. They chose New Hampshire, because it's the state with the laws already most closely matching their goals, and also because the population is small enough that several thousand people of a like mindset moving in could genuinely affect things.

Thousands have already moved, and around ten thousand have pledged to do so, IIRC.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally posted by Clodfobble
why doesn't he just leave and create his OWN goddamned land, since this land isn't "good enough", or whatever the fuck.

Actually, some national Libertarian organization (I forget which one) sort of decided to do just that. They chose New Hampshire, because it's the state with the laws already most closely matching their goals, and also because the population is small enough that several thousand people of a like mindset moving in could genuinely affect things.

Thousands have already moved, and around ten thousand have pledged to do so, IIRC.

You're referring to The Free State Project.

The Free State Project is a plan in which 20,000 or more liberty-oriented people will move to New Hampshire, where they may work within the political system to reduce the size and scope of government. The success of the Free State Project would likely entail reductions in burdensome taxation and regulation, reforms in state and local law, an end to federal mandates, and a restoration of constitutional federalism, demonstrating the benefits of liberty to the rest of the nation and the world.

These people seem a little more reasonable than Radar though, on the surface at least.

[Radar]

Get your facts straight, Radar.

My facts are straight. I was the one who said we DID have public libraries before income taxes and I said they were funded locally. Pay attention.

I should point out I'm not formally trained in Economics

That's very apparent from your completely erroneous and backward critique of Nobel prize winning economists whose shadows you wouldn't be worthy to stand in and whose theories are as fresh today as the day they were written. Instead you go with the status quo which has been failing for decades.

As a matter of fact, let the Libertarians and all those who espouse similar beliefs set up their own state or their own area of anarchy – however they would define

You are genuinely insane. I don't mean that facetiously. Libertarians don't promote anarchy. Although it might seem that way to a statist who wants to benefit from robbery.

Since we all live in the REAL world, I’m sure the good people of say, New Jersey or New Mexico would happily cede a portion of their state to the Libertarians since everyone is so disposed to be in a frenzy of charitable giving.

Sorry, but you don't live in the real world. You live in a fantasy world and don't have a grasp on reality.

I for one am sick and tired of having to engage with the libertarian voice in matters of national dialog. Bottom line, you don’t WANT a nation, so why don’t you retire from the scene and leave the rest of us in peace?

You're sick and tired because you will always look stupid compared to libertarians. It must make you sick and tired to be proven wrong constantly. It must make you sick and tired to know that libertarians have always had real world solutions that actually work when you are promoting everything wrong in the world.

Libertarians DO want a nation! We want the nation our founders fought and died to give us. We want the freedom, liberty, and justice that was stolen from us by the likes of YOU. If you don't want the freedom we are promoting, feel free to pack your bags and move to one of the failing socialist nations where they have so-called "free healthcare" like Canada that actually costs more than American healthcare.

Go live in your “Libertaria” with no public schools or libraries or system of highways. No public health facilities or police protection or national mail distribution.

Wow, you genuinely don't know shit about libertarianism (along with most other things). And knock off your lame ass bullshit of "libertaria". Libertarians DO NOT require or believe in utopia. People like you believe in utopia. You use false sayings like "free education" or "free healthcare". You live in a utopian fantasy where nobody minds being robbed. Well it's about time you woke up and took a look at the real world. Libertarians would have plenty of mail distribution of superior quality when compared to the USPS, a far better highway system, and better libraries. STOP TELLING YOUR BULLSHIT LIES TO THE CONTRARY!!!

You think if we don't want government to do something, that we won't have it at all. How typical of a statist. If you love nanny states so much, move to Vietnam or Cuba.

There will be no tariffs, so anything and everything will flow freely both ways across their borders. Except people out – you’ve all signed an agreement, remember?

Now you've gone off the deep end. I can't even figure out what the hell you're talking about. Did this happen in one of your drug induced hallucinations? What the hell agreement are you talking about?

After five years of this experiment with everyone building their own roads and hiring their own thugs to protect them, sending their children to school while the children of the working class be damned (just how many of the working class will sign on for “Libertaria,” anyhow? The American worker is not as dumb as he may look), just how strong a border patrol will the US have to have to keep you crack pots from coming back in to the system you so despise? The current problem on our border with Mexico would pale by comparison.

Put down the crack pipe and step away from it slowly. After 5 years of people having superior roads, more professional police, better schools for people of every class, more jobs, financial prosperity, and freedom, people all over the world will be clamoring to have a taste of the liberty, freedom, and opportunity offered in this country. The working class will be doing far better than they are now. And our borders would be open to all who would want to come to live and work here and to contribute just as they were when our nation was created. Immigrants created this country and made it the best on earth.

But its OK, Radar, I promise you that in such an event we’ll show you all the sympathy and compassion you have shown for the poor and disabled of your former country. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass when you go. After all, “America – love it or leave it!” Right?

I've shown FAR MORE sympathy, compassion, and understanding to the plight of the elderly, disabled, and poor than you ever have. I am offering a system in which they will have better healthcare, more assistance than they have now, and more freedom for all Americans. I didn't say America love it or leave it, but America WILL return to a Constitutional republic during my lifetime even if it requires a bloody revolution to make it happen. If you think you are owed something just because you have a perceived need you think you have, you won't be happy living in a free country. You are free to stay in America as long as you like as long as you don't expect to reach into someone else's pocket to take what they've earned by force. You're free to ask for help, but not to help yourself to someone else's hard earned income at the point of a gun. If you don't like that, I say TOO FUCKING BAD, GET OVER IT.

*STANDING OVATION GODDAMNIT!!!*

Great minds think alike, and this quote shows that the opposite is also true.

Hell, as many times as I been told to "go back to Africa", why doesn't he just leave and create his OWN goddamned land, since this land isn't "good enough", or whatever the fuck.

MY country was already created. The United States of America is it. The bottom line is you can learn to live with freedom and personal responsibility in America or learn to live elsewhere. It's that simple.

[xoxoxoBruce]

These people seem a little more reasonable than Radar though, on the surface at least.

Actually we had some here for a while. They were attacking Radar for not being Libertarian enough. It sounded like the Catholic/Protestant thing in Ireland, to me. They were the same only different and couldn't agree.
I realize what Radar's preaching isn't going to happen, but maybe if enough people are convinced it's the right way to go, they'll press their Congressmen. The pols aren't giving up real power but they might slack off on some issues to win votes.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
They were attacking Radar for not being Libertarian enough.

*shudders*

Originally posted by Radar
If you think you are owed something just because you have a perceived need you think you have, you won't be happy living in a free country. You are free to stay in America as long as you like as long as you don't expect to reach into someone else's pocket to take what they've earned by force. You're free to ask for help, but not to help yourself to someone else's hard earned income at the point of a gun. If you don't like that, I say TOO FUCKING BAD, GET OVER IT.

I love it when Libertarians start foaming at the mouth. Try this one on for size, buy guy. I worked from the age of 16, paid social security and other taxes from the age of 18 - social security alone a good 1/3 of my hard earned money. I did this for over 25 years, then fought for 5 years to have the bastards return to me what was rightfully mine in the form of social security disability insurance payments. I have statements from 6 doctors and a Federal Judge about my "percieved" needs. If you or any other son of a bitch wants to come take MY money away from me, I'll see you in hell first. My SSDI comes from MY payments over a lifetime of solid productive work, and how dare you or any other Libertarian crazy attempt to deprive me of it? Come and try, Sweet Pea, I dare you!

Oh yeah, almost forgot:

Originally posted by Radar



Second, we'd have superior school systems that even poor families could attend, and privately owned libraries that were available to the public or public libraries that are funded locally instead of federally.

Originally posted by Radar

or



My facts are straight. I was the one who said we DID have public libraries before income taxes and I said they were funded locally. Pay attention.

You can't have it both ways, Radar. In one post you state one thing and then when you get called on it, you back pedal and state something else. Just WHO is on crack around here, anyhow? Personally, I never tried the stuff, but you seem to be enjoying SOMETHING that effects your thought. At least MY meds have helped with my memory problems, maybe YOU should try them.

[Radar]

Who says you can't have locally funded public libraries and privately funded libraries also?

My SSDI comes from MY payments over a lifetime of solid productive work, and how dare you or any other Libertarian crazy attempt to deprive me of it? Come and try, Sweet Pea, I dare you!

No problem. I will take away the all of Social Security, and you'll have to suffer through having improved benefits tough guy. Now don't make me come over there and kick over your wheel chair.

[lumberjim]

Originally posted by Radar
Now don't make me come over there and kick over your wheel chair.

[slang]

Originally posted by Radar
......America WILL return to a Constitutional republic during my lifetime even if it requires a bloody revolution to make it happen......

He's such an optimist it scares me.

Originally posted by Radar
Who says you can't have locally funded public libraries and privately funded libraries also?



No problem. I will take away the all of Social Security, and you'll have to suffer through having improved benefits tough guy. Now don't make me come over there and kick over your wheel chair.

Hey, the more libraries, the better! God knows, the better informed our citizens, the less likely they are to vote libertarian.

Your last two sentences are priceless. I'm sure they will win the Libertarian party many voters. Wasn't it Hitler who said something about "useless eaters"?