Anger Over Mohammed Cartoon

[Crimson Ghost]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The only ones that are pesecuting these people are their religious leaders. They are being duped into believing the Jews and Christians of the World are plotting their demise......the west is keeping them from living the good life.
If I insult Allah and he can't handle it, or me, then he is a pissant Deity not worthy of the title.
If they were true believers they wouldn't be threatened by anyones opinion of Allah. They would be secure in their faith, and Allah, as I suspect most Muslims, including the ones in Kitsune's last post, are. The problem is those Muslims are very, very silent.
These rioters are nothing but scumbag hooligans that debase the Muslim faith, and deserve to be stomped

EXACTLY!!!

But, if they want an apology -

A Letter of Apology from Crimson Ghost, US Marine Corps, Retired

I humbly offer my apology here:
I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.).
I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came after 9/11.
I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs.
I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under savage dictatorships.
I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth.
I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled media.
I am sorry that Yasir Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and high-jacked the Palestinian "cause".
I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than a token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.
I am sorry that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs blame the USA for all their problems.
I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of our society, like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).
I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common folk suffered.
I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide bombers upon their death.
I am sorry that those same bombers are brainwashed thinking they will receive 72 virgins in "paradise."
I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies, children, the elderly and other non-combatant civilians are legitimate targets.
I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents of their own making.
I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any other group.
I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state.
I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah.
I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy Site."
I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World Trade Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church — one of our Holy Sites.
I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings, the murders and beheadings of Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl, etc...etc.
America will get past this latest absurdity. We will punish those responsible because that is what we do.
We hang out our dirty laundry for the entire world to see. We move on. That's one of the reasons we are hated so much. We don't hide this stuff like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology.
Deep down inside, when most Americans saw this reported in the news, we were like — so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners. Sure, it was wrong! Sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until captured, we were trying to kill those same prisoners. Now we're supposed to wring our hands because a few were humiliated?
Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people killed, mutilated and burned among a joyous crowd of celebrating Fallujahans.
If you want an apology from this American, go fuck yourself!
You have a better chance of finding those seventy-two virgins!
Crimson Ghost, US Marine Corps (Ret.)
Semper Fi

[fargon]

Well said, Thank You Ghost. Semper Paratus fargon

[FallenFairy]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

The problem is, protests like this happen because of a situation that many of these people are not to blame for. In fact, the majority of them are not to blame for any of it. They're just sick and tired of being persecuted because they believe in Allah and not God. They're sick and tired of being persecuted because some of their members are fruitloops. They're sick and tired of being persecuted because of the way they dress or how they look. They're sick and tired of being persecuted full stop.

Even the gentlest creature will react with violence if you taunt it enough.

Does that apply to Christians too?? Hmm.... I certainly hope so!



Crimson Ghost - Your post was phenominal!! I thank you for your service in the USMC, and for that post.

[Beestie]

Note to self: add CG to my list of heroes.

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by Beestie

Note to self: add CG to my list of heroes.

Better make it General Chuck Pitman. Or, maybe not.

Semper Fi, indeed. The author isn't even a marine.

I thought the fad of distributing and swallowing this kind of "patriotic" tripe had passed in 2003 or so. Oh well.

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by Kitsune

I thought the fad of distributing and swallowing this kind of "patriotic" tripe had passed ...

Say what you want about me but I like patriotic tripe whoever writes it.

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by Beestie

Say what you want about me but I like patriotic tripe whoever writes it.

Here you go, then. You'll love this one, also not written by the person it is attributed to. Maybe the one Charlie Daniels really did write will make you feel warm and tingly. Or maybe this one, entitled "You Worry Me", that includes this beauty:

We will NEVER give in to your influence, your retarded mentality, your twisted, violent, intolerant religion. We will NEVER allow the attacks of September 11, or any others for that matter, to take away that which is so precious to us: Our rights under the greatest constitution in the world.

I swear I can hear Toby Keith's "Beer for my Horses" playing, quietly.

[Beestie]

Thank you. One of the things that's cool about America is that someone who loves America can have a civil discussion with someone who has little or no respect for what America stands for without either one fearing retribution from the other or from the State.

And, for the sake of discussion, do you live in America because you are not allowed to leave or because you are comfortable settling for less than some other country can offer you?

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by Beestie

One of the things that's cool about America is that someone who loves America can have a civil discussion with someone who has little or no respect for what America stands for without either one fearing retribution from the other or from the State.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Beestie

And, for the sake of discussion, do you live in America because you are not allowed to leave or because you are comfortable settling for less than some other country can offer you?

Uh... wha? Well, technically I live here because I was born here and that gave me automatic citizenship, but I continue to live here because there currently aren't any other places in this world I'd rather be. There are plenty of other countries that offer more freedom to their citizens than the US does at this moment, but I love this land, love her cities, and I love the varied culture across the regions. I couldn't leave that.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The only ones that are pesecuting these people are their religious leaders.

The religious leaders are really just aiding and abetting.

All of this shit is in the Koran, spelled out in plain English. errr, Arabic.

[Pie]

Originally Posted by wolf

The religious leaders are really just aiding and abetting.
All of this shit is in the Koran, spelled out in plain English. errr, Arabic.

Just about any Book you look at will have its fair share of shit. What makes the Koran any worse than the OT? or any other "Because I Said So!" treatise?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Yes.....look how people take shit from the bible, epecially the old testament, and use it to justify stupid behavior.

[djacq75]

There is a difference between religion and faith. A decent person of faith will take things that are decent, humane and benevolent out of any holy book and ignore the garbage. A religious fanatic will do the exact opposite.

[Aliantha]

FallenFairy said: Does that apply to Christians too?? Hmm.... I certainly hope so!

The issue under discussion at present is why Muslim demonstrators are reacting with such fervour and violence.

I find it very difficult to understand why people who support the war in Iraq continually seem to confuse the issues there with Bin Laden's actions of 9/11. These conflicts began because the Bush government was unable to find Bin Laden and the public wanted retribution so they started a war - either justified or unjustified - to take the pressure off. Believe it or not, it had nothing to do with Christian behaviour. Muslim extremism is a problem as it is in any religion.

So yes, it applies to Christians as well. The problem is, the 'Christian' ones among us seem to have lost sight of their goals, while the Muslims seem to have a very clear goal.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

These conflicts began because the Bush government was unable to find Bin Laden and the public wanted retribution so they started a war - either justified or unjustified - to take the pressure off.

No. Iraq was the goal from the start, even before 9-11.