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[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Flint

So, because your example is not representative, that makes Undertoad's example also not representative?

The news source where Undertoad got his example from makes the point that fighter isn't representative of the majority. Do you honestly think that the majority of Gazans are happy they are being killed?

I forget the name of the term, but don't fall into the trap thinking that everyone in a different culture thinks the same. Their views are just as diverse as us, also leaving room for complete psychos like the one that Undertoad posted.

Originally Posted by Flint

I would think the article's title separates the soldier from the civilian population, not the rest of the soldiers, or the leadership.

Then why the fuck is Undertoad posting articles how Arab culture is fundamentally different than ours. Then also, why didn't Undertoad point that out for himself. Keep in mind, Hamas makes up less than 1% of the Gazan population.

Edit- My fault, the guy wasn't Hamas.

[piercehawkeye45]

You serious?

First, the New York Times is a newspaper whose trying to make money over forcing a political point. They may have a slant, which ironically isn't convincing Americans that Arab culture is different than ours, but they mainly post articles that will get readers attention. That is an article that will get peoples attention.

You are trying to make a point. You are trying to convince people on this forum that Arab culture is fundamentally different than Western culture. The New York Times isn't.

Second, it was you who posted the article on this forum, not the New York Times.


So no, I still agree that the two cultures are fundamentally different but I think you are taking it to the extreme. Have you never heard of 21 year old American soldiers who say the want to die fighting for their country? Do you realize that the militant's view is not the majority? Even the New York Times names the title of the article "Fighter Sees His Paradise in Gaza’s Pain", which first names the fighter as singular and then Gaza, the majority, as in pain, not happy.

[Flint]

I would think the article's title separates the soldier from the civilian population, not the rest of the soldiers, or the leadership.

[Flint]

Do you honestly think that the majority of Gazans are happy they are being killed?

You're making the wrong (illogical) differentiations. Nobody thinks, or has suggested that. Stop and think for a minute.

[Flint]

You've lost the plot. I'm out.

[tw]

Rather curious that America - that once could understand and communicate with different cultures all over the world - suddenly has a problem only during part of the past decade.

Let's see. Turkey was one of the nations described by UT’s article. And Turkey (before George Jr) had a 90 something percent approval rating of America. In NATO, Turkey and American had some of the strongest friendships. Funny how their culture was so different that Turkey ended up being one of America's closest friends.

And then wackos came to power. Suddenly the 90+% approval rating dropped to something below 10%. Clearly there were too many cultural differences. Maybe Turks can only understand nations lead by leaders not supported by TheMercenary? Ahhh but I jest ... using reality.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

......George Jr.....TheMercenary.....

Damm, you left out a reference to Rush Limberger and wacko extremists! You're slipping Ted.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Damm, you left out a reference to Rush Limberger and wacko extremists! You're slipping Ted.

You mean I forgot to mention your IQ again? No wonder you would love to like George Jr's dic. Oh. Profanity? Just trying to make TheMercenary feel more at home.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

.....George Jr's ...... TheMercenary ......

You forgot Bin Laden and Rush.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

You forgot Bin Laden and Rush.

You regurgitate what they tell you to say everyday. How could I forget them - or your wife that you are trying to sell in another thread - you turd.

When do you get an original thought other than to attack others? Welcome to the Cellar that TheMercenary works so hard to create.

[classicman]

Don't drag me into your squabble with another poster. Do not lump me in with another poster and try to act like YOU are the victim. No one, not UT nor Bruce nor Wolf, NO ONE said a damn thing to me.

And don't you dare think that for a friggin second I will not keep calling you out when you make claims as fact that are completely unsubstantiated. I have not personally attacked you at all, in months because its what I alone chose to do. You are not worth dragging me down into your petty BS as a diversionary tactic when you are called out to cite or back up your claims. You have been called out recently about your claims again and coincidentally you start this crap again. Curious.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Don't drag me into your squabble with another poster.

The new dynamic. When you provide no facts for your doubts, then "cite" means I will return with attacks on your intelligence. Your 'calling out someone' is classic Limbaugh - the subtle mockery of another poster and not really a request for knowledge.

"Cite' without the long reason why you are confused is openly declared a personal attack. Posting without contributing additional facts to the question as you routinely do - that was what you were doing months ago when I finally put an end to it. Deja vue. You want more. Then keep it up.

It is a simple benchmark, classicman. Any request for a citation from you must include additional facts to justify your doubts. Your reign of passive aggressive attacks on others is no longer tolerated. Your every post is expected to contribute new information. Your one word 'cite' nonsense is now considered mockery of another. You want a citation? Then prove in that post that you have the knowledge or intelligence to justify that request. Limbaugh style challenges from you are now considered personal attacks.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

"Cite' without the long reason why you are confused is openly declared a personal attack.

That's bullshit. Questioning unsubstantiated statements is not a personal attack. Calling someone a turd for doing so, is a personal attack.

Your long standing habit of ignoring questions about your claims has damaged your credibility, which will cause more people to request citation... or just dismiss you as a twit.

[Undertoad]

No Thomas, compared to what you're doing now, everything directed at you was pretty minor stuff. And had a point. Now you've just thrown a lot of garbage all over several threads. It looks like a hissy fit and is ridiculous. Stop it.

I do find it funny that Merc endlessly carped about a Cellar "double standard" when he was ruining threads in the beginning, and now seeks refuge under sensible moderation and somebody else is screaming double standard at him. I also find it funny that for years tw lectured about how silly it is to be provoked by the likes of Barak, and has now been rather easily provoked, to the point of tantrum.

[DanaC]

I don't care who started. I just want you to stop it.