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Old 04-14-2010, 01:01 PM   #1
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You, my kind sir, have outdone even yourself. :applause:

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Old 04-14-2010, 01:06 PM   #2
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Old 04-14-2010, 01:08 PM   #3
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Jebus, it boggles my mind.
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Old 04-14-2010, 01:13 PM   #4
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what's that - reality?
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Old 04-14-2010, 01:19 PM   #5
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what's that - reality?
Buuurrrrrrrrrnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

I actually almost changed my user title this week to "now with an even more tenuous grasp on reality" but I couldn't decide between using "reality" or "sanity."
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Old 04-14-2010, 03:11 PM   #6
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It happens in any organization with a power structure that has a vested interest in covering it up, and a membership base too 'loyal' to walk away after the betrayal.

It'll be interesting to see how loyal American Catholics really are. My sampling to date suggests that the RCC is in for a very long, bumpy and ugly ride.
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Old 04-14-2010, 03:25 PM   #7
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It'll be interesting to see how loyal American Catholics really are.
Most are not loyal at all. The churches are closing left and right.
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Old 04-14-2010, 04:09 PM   #8
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I've kind of lost track of the point of this thread. Was there a point?

I'm getting really very frustrated at the vitriol against the Catholic Church. Yes, it happened, and it's horrible, and I'm glad it's been brought to light. But . . .

I believe that the percentage of people victimized by religious is minuscule compared to the young people that are being abused every day by their parents, relatives, stepparents, friends of their parents, by foster parents and the foster system. Yet there is no corresponding outcry against parents; no demand to overhaul the foster care system, no widescale lawsuits against the state. Why? Because we're all too busy pointing fingers at the convenient, easy to hate, churches. And you can't sue states anyway, because they have immunity.

I say, get to the root of the problem in our society through openness and education. People can be indignent and righteous all they want by pointing fingers, but this is a wider problem, and the wider problem is not being addressed, because people don't want to believe this is happening in their backyard, in their homes, in their neighborhood, to their own loved ones.

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Old 04-14-2010, 04:52 PM   #9
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It happens in any organization with a power structure that has a vested interest in covering it up, and a membership base too 'loyal' to walk away after the betrayal.
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Like the Dallas Cowboys.
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...I say, get to the root of the problem in our society through openness and education...
But that would mean that Americans would have to have a health, mature perspective on sex, and ALL churches are against that.
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Old 04-14-2010, 05:14 PM   #10
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and ALL churches are against that.
thank you.
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Old 04-14-2010, 05:24 PM   #11
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But especially the Roman Catholic ChurchJ/K
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Old 04-14-2010, 06:21 PM   #12
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People can be indignent and righteous all they want by pointing fingers, but this is a wider problem, and the wider problem is not being addressed, because people don't want to believe this is happening in their backyard, in their homes, in their neighborhood, to their own loved ones.
I disagree. People who work in schools or with children are now required to have a criminal background and child abuse check thru their state police. People talk to their kids now, not just about 'stranger danger' but about who's allowed to touch their bodies and where and why. People ARE willing to believe this shit happens, and they are more involved with their kid's lives because of it. That's why kids are involved in so many activities these days, often with their parents involved right there with them. That's why kids have play dates instead of just roaming wild in the streets.

The foster care system? You're going to compare that to a church? Odd, but... I do see the failures of the foster care system brought to light on the news frequently, as they should be. I don't see people saying things like "I'm a good social worker" like it makes them a better person with a stronger moral compass than those they are comparing themselves to.
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Old 04-14-2010, 04:55 PM   #13
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which is why I don't like organized religion much
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Old 04-14-2010, 07:04 PM   #14
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As a recovered Catholic I'll say that, reprehensible as it is, condoning kid boinking is among the least of the church's transgressions.
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Old 04-14-2010, 07:14 PM   #15
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As a recovered Catholic I'll say that, reprehensible as it is, condoning kid boinking is among the least of the church's transgressions.
I suppose you say that for effect, but I think you should reconsider. How on earth could condoning kid boinking be low on ANY list of transgressions.

how many things are worse?
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