Merc - Wtf?

[zippyt]

The reason merc hasnt been around ,

[classicman]

Wow. 100+ posts for what? Mostly you're all bickering amongst yourselves over someone who most of you know nothing about.
Dana, you tried to do a good thing. don't beat yourself up for that.

Ibs - FUCK YOU. You were every bit as much a dick to him as he was to you.

What one posts here is certainly not the whole of that person. For example, when Merc heard of my son's accident from Jim's post on here, he got my number somehow ( I still don't know how) & called me a few days later. Offered ANYTHING, anything he could to help me out. He stayed on the phone with me while I cried for hours. When my son came home and I didn't have the money to buy him a cane, the fucker sent me a check to buy my son, and I quote, "a cool cane for a cool kid." Who the fuck does that?
Tony needed a car - Merc contributed very generously if I recall. Sam's camera example is another. Ask Tony about his tip jar donations. I'm sure there are others I'm not aware of. He is one of the most generous people I've met.
Was he a dick and totally over the top at times? Yup, no question about it. I sent him PM's more than once telling him to STFU. Who the heck hasn't said shit they didn't mean out of anger, alcohol use/abuse whatever? Look in the mirror.

I left here for while because the bullshit got so fucking deep it was sickening and it made me more of a bitter, shitty person. Thats a stark contrast from a time when I thought you people here were the closest "friends" I had. I came here to give and get advice & to share my life - both good and godawful. No matter what, I could count on your support and honesty. I don't feel that way anymore, or not enough to keep me participating on a daily basis - and that SUCKS. It makes me sad, really sad.

Fukkit.

[lookout123]

Wow. Just wow. Although my absence is largely due to other reasons I really couldn't have written a better explanation than this thread for why my absence from the cellar didn't bother me more.

Merc was/is an asshole.
Ibby was/is an asshole.
You were/are a bunch of whiney bandwagon hopping assholes.
I was/am an asshole.

Grow the fuck up. Would you really say some of this shit to someone's face? Really? Really Really? If your answer is anything beyond staring at your shoes and whimpering like a dog that pissed on the floor, then shame on you.

I'm disgusted with us.

[SamIam]

Lookout! What a surprise! I wish you would have made your return (which I assume is a brief one) in another thread. What's the point of being nasty to everyone else in order to inform them how nasty THEY are? I always thought better of you, and now I'm disappointed.

This should be called the "poison thread" and have a warning come on your computer screen that the reader stands a high chance of coming away angry or depressed or both. Often no good comes from posting to it. I only replied because I was surprised to see your name. I wish you better days and a sunnier disposition.

[lookout123]

Actually, I'm not angry, depressed, or down. Disappointed, yes. Did I happen to catch your attention because I dared to type out that I, you, and most of the participants have been assholes? Then good.

Now put it in context. Have you, SamIam, been an asshole? I don't know. I haven't and won't go back to read all the hundreds of threads I've missed. Have you, SamIam, been a part of the community that seems to have moved on from being a community of wildly different philosophies, lifestyles, politics, communication styles, economic brackets, and any other demographic category imaginable to become something less? Yes? Then SamIam and Lookout should feel some measure of shame.

I get that this is the cellar and is really just a webbased bulletin board, but I always thought of it as something more. I really did feel it was a legitimate community where I could genuinely learn what other people thought and felt; not just those of similar political schools (obviously I lean right) but also those that are 1 to 180 degrees away from my views. I edged my way out of daily participation because I felt we were losing that but assumed it was my own sensitivities at play. (it's possible they still are)

I popped back in to find just pure nastiness directed at anyone who veers from the homogenized "correct" view of things. I find it offensive.

It is your fault. You are here and allow it to happen. It is my fault because I perceive this as an undesireable state of existence and chose to walk away rather than attempt to influence it. It is Jim's fault because... well, he's Jim.

So anyway, Sam - if I have personally offended you, I apologize for my lack of skill in expressing my thoughts. I meant no individual personal insult. I am, however, disappointed in us as a group.

I believe the cellar was more than this. I believe the cellar IS more than this. I commit to returning and attempting to express my views in a non-insulting but certainly divisive manner more often as I get my personal affairs in order.

Oh, and fuck Jim. I say that purely because my introduction to the cellar was having my ass shredded by LJ over my political and religious views. He slapped me down for the newb I was, but in such a manner that I was compelled to return and present myself more coherently. So thanks Jim. You are one of my all time favorite dwellars. You asshole.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Actually, I'm not angry, depressed, or down. Disappointed, yes. Did I happen to catch your attention because I dared to type out that I, you, and most of the participants have been assholes? Then good.

Well, this thread depressed ME. You happened to catch my attention because I saw your user name - something that hasn't happened in ages.

Originally Posted by Lookout

Now put it in context. Have you, SamIam, been an asshole?

LOL! What a question! As you very well know, I can be a real bitch at times. I'm working on that, but sometimes my inner bitch still demands to escape and run free. What's a girl to do?

Originally Posted by lookout123

I don't know. Have you, SamIam, been a part of the community that seems to have moved on from being a community of wildly different philosophies, lifestyles, politics, communication styles, economic brackets, and any other demographic category imaginable to become something less? Yes? Then SamIam and Lookout should feel some measure of shame.

What's the point of asking me a question when you've decided you already know the answer? You haven't gone back and read any posts, but you've decided that I (and you) failed some Cellar litmus test and must now go around hanging our heads in shame. You're certainly free to do as please, feel all the shame you want, but ddon't try to unload all your nuggets of coal on me.

I've learned quite a few things on the Cellar, and these days I try to post stuff that may be interesting or comforting or whatever in return.

If your plan is to come back here and be as mean as you've been in your two posts here, then you'll get what you give. Excuse me for not meeting your standards.

[ZenGum]

Well, crap.

Catharsis can be good, sometimes.


ETA Composed before I had read lookout's most recent post (126). Was a comment on the overall situation.

EtalsoA oh and welcome back, Lookout!

[Trilby]

@ Ali - forgive me if I am not "over" such a horrible thing. Do I forgive merc? Sure. He's human-ish after all.

He hurt me on a grand scale. I suppose I shall never like him or forget what he did to me. When a person is in a suicidal state of mind....well, need I really expand on that?

and if a Dwellar's love and respect can be bought-how much? I'll try to buy---I mean MEET----all of your needs then you'll love me and defend me till Jim's death the way the Universe means it to be.

Ali, Ali---we forgave each other long ago. I still don't get how you, a committed liberal with waaaaaay socialist views, got to be so tight with a man so completely opposite in his views. Actually, his views were MY views when we used to fight; then, largely because of Dana, my views changed and as far as I knew, you were still a cheerleader for the left. Your sig line even read "Apparently I'm a leftie" or some such. Then you go and gush all over merc? I never saw you get angry with him-----maybe you did, I don't read everything of course. I DO recall you telling him to 'cool it, mate' once when he was being way, waaaaaay over the top with a newbie (his favorite food).

I've no animosity towards you. I've changed my views. Even if someone IS a raving right-winger I can still learn, be their friend, etc. I don't have to suffer a bully who is being a bully for self aggrandizement and an "I'm better than you" bullshit attitude which he has in spades.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Trilby

I still don't get how you, a committed liberal with waaaaaay socialist views, got to be so tight with a man so completely opposite in his views.

Ah, this seems to be the crux of the Cellars ills... and the country's ills.
Political philosophy, left or right, my way is the right way, your way is the highway. This is what I am and how I live my life.

Well you know what, thats bullshit. Nobody does that, nobody. How you feel about any subject doesn't stem from left or right. It's always personal experiences of you, friends, or family, that cause your opinion. Most people forget they have an opinion, not the answer.

I have two friends. One is a hard right Teapublican, the other is a don't care/don't vote. Occasionally the Teapublican and I argue politics, while the other guy rolls his eyes. But we are still friends, because there's a whole lot more to people and life, than religion and politics.

I've always been an opinionated motherfucker, suspicious but curious about people who are different. The Cellar has exposed me to a shitload of people who are different, to say the least. But like soylent green, it's people.

We have things we share in common, and things we disagree on, but most interesting is why. What in your life caused your opinion to differ from mine. You people have certainly caused me to change my opinion on some things, and reinforced my opinion on others.
I thank you for that... and the boobs.

(I'm not singling out Trilby, she just happen to state what I think is a/the problem with much of the world.)

[Trilby]

quote classicman: "Who the fuck does that?"

bruce, for one. Actually, bruce does it quite often to many different dwellars because he genuinely likes to be generous.

and when I was sick I got LOADS of books, soft socks, a hat, loads of things. all from dwellars. I passed all my cancer books on to ortho. We don't all sing our own praises. mostly it;s just done.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by Trilby

quote classicman: "Who the fuck does that?"

bruce, for one. Actually, bruce does it quite often to many different dwellars because he genuinely likes to be generous.

Kudos to BigV as well.











There have been a few reasonable posts, but overall this thread sucks. It reminds me of why I take breaks from this place. Add that to Lookout's attack on me, and I realize that the Cellar is not a healthy place for me to be spending my time - not right now, anyhow. I'm outta here.

[Pico and ME]

Seriously, Foot, to whine about the whiners is just as bad.

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by Trilby

I'll tell ya what, foot. If MaggieL ever comes back I'll pink pistol her to fucking Moonrise Kingdom with her own damn pistol!

then I shall laff at her and her best friend, the straw man whom I shall slowly and methodically burn to death in a sinister and delightful s'morish kind of way.

Howzat?

Sounds great to me. If rkzenrage comes back can you take care of him too?

Originally Posted by Pico and ME

Seriously, Foot, to whine about the whiners is just as bad.

Hi Pico! Where have you been hiding? Was I whining about whiners, or are you just saying? I guess one could opacity to my list of shortcomings.

[lookout123]

Originally Posted by SamIam

Add that to Lookout's attack on me, and I realize that the Cellar is not a healthy place for me to be spending my time - not right now, anyhow. I'm outta here.

Really? My attack on you? I don't think I attacked any individual in any way. I called out what I see (and you may disagree) as negative condition in the cellar. I pointed out that all of us as individuals, including me, have behaved like assholes. If you perceive that as a personal attack, I'm sorry for your hurt, but not for what I said. In fact, if you really saw it as an attack I find that symptomatic of a trend in the cellar and in society as a whole.

Everyone is looking for a reason to be a victim. People go out of their way to find a way to be offended. Ibby is the poster child for this, nearly to the level of being a caricature.

Seriously, what the fuck. Merc is a truly intolerant asshat and said a lot of shit that was uncalled for. The fact his politics align more closely with mine than most other dwellars is irrelevant. Things he posted made me cringe and ignore the majority of what he said in the same way I do with TW. They are not dissimilar individuals. Is the cellar better or worse with him gone? I don't know, but he's probably better off being gone because this place didnt' bring out the best in him. I'm certain he would speak the same way to someone he had to look in the eye.

At the same time, we still have Ibram/Ibby, whatever, crying over shit that was written on a computer screen and ranting incoherently about his horrible life as a victim and if we're not with him we're against him. His blatant intolerance is somehow glorious and just because he is on the side of the angels. Fuck that. Ibby is an immature child surrounded by immature PC children afraid to tell him to shut the fuck up. He obviously takes college courses designed to strengthen his status as a victim so he has more soundbyte bullshit to throw at everything and everyone that gets within poo throwing distance.

So one of them is here and one of them is gone, is the cellar better? Nah, not really, imo. I would wager that right now there have been a few vultures circling this thread waiting to be offended so they can jump in with their own explanations of why they are hurt. Fair enough.

If that is how a person wants to spend their life then that's ok by me. The good news is there is always something to hurt your feelings floating around if you look hard enough. I just don't see the value in spending a life searching for righteous indignation in swirling sea of shifting opinions. Instead of being offended look to see if their is anything ANYTHING of value in a post or a person before grabbing your pitch fork and kindling.

Life can be fun, if you let it.

[glatt]

Well, I, for one, am pleased that this thread got Lookout to poke back in. That's an improvement right there.

How are you doing, Lookout?