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Am I suggesting a law has been broken: no lol Is someone being harmed: yes; the censored people, the people who wish to read the censored information, and anyone else who may benefit from the content being available |
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04-20-2020, 04:26 PM | #2 | ||
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Propagation of disinformation is harmful. Censorship of harmful information is helpful. And now we're back to my point Quote:
why it was removed is not clear and is in dispute. one narrative is fb is doing the bidding of the tyrannical states. one narrative is fb is enforcing their terms and conditions. both narratives involve censorship (I'm self censoring my urge to surround that with scare quotes) How YOU feel about whichever narrative you think is most likely correct is 100% on you; exactly the same for ME. But we don't agree on what's really behind the takedowns.
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04-20-2020, 03:00 PM | #3 | |
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It appears Mr Darcy was inexact in his wording and we do not have evidence that the states requested takedown. Only that they "communicated"
"Communication" is vague but one state is denying they ASKED for the takedown Thank you for the correction https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/20/polit...sts/index.html Quote:
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04-20-2020, 05:40 PM | #5 |
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Totally tail-posting on whatever the debate is here, but "who decides" is a good question, there's not a good answer, and that's where all our problems begin. We can't decide on what to do because we can't decide what's real or not. And there's brain-numbingly stupid examples of this. Exxon knew about global warming 40 years ago, but because they were so good at spreading misinformation, we're still (somehow) arguing about this.
I thought, briefly, that a global pandemic would be a sobering moment for us to all agree on a basic premise, but that's gone out the window. And in typical fashion-- not by direct contradiction but by the "I'm just asking questions, is that a crime?" method, aka muddying the waters. But SOMEBODY has to be a "source" of information. We literally can't survive without information to inform our decisions.
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04-20-2020, 08:01 PM | #6 |
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Oh! Come and see the censorship inherent in the system! HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!
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04-21-2020, 12:02 AM | #7 |
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Evidently you did when you censored Henry.
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04-21-2020, 06:34 PM | #9 |
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Which leaves you and Facebook in a difficult situation. I don't believe Facebook ever bothered to address that question until it became glaringly obvious that there reputation (and more important, proftis) was as stake. I believe their guidelines were ad hoc - after the fact - too late.
Did you ever sit down to write out a doctrine or benchmark a structure? A framework to decide what is acceptable verses what is 'yelling fire in a theater'? I don't believe many people in your position do that. Yes, plans completely break down with first conflict. But the fewer who have plans are more easily able to adapt to changing conditions and unexpected events. Do any good guidelines or examples exist from which one might construct such a framework? |
04-22-2020, 06:25 AM | #10 | |
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There are only THREE rules of The Cellar. Do not try to break the law using the Cellar. Do not try to break the Cellar. Do not be "intolerably irritating".
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04-21-2020, 12:24 AM | #11 |
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Well if every time I talk, I'm talking on behalf of the Cellar, instead of just conversationally, I'll do my conversational talking elsewhere.
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04-21-2020, 06:39 AM | #12 |
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Just put a disclaimer in your byline, I'd hate to catch you chatting on Facebook regularly.
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The primary reason I gave up being a mod is people put implied authority to my statements unlike every other swinging dick, and that was a drag. You don't have that option, until people grasp that you can be told to fuck off like everyone else it's your albatross.
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04-21-2020, 03:18 PM | #14 |
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This is stupid. Nobody thinks you're the Cellar.
You've got a strong personality, well-formed opinions, and you put yourself out there to take a lot of heat on difficult positions. That's all you, baby. We wouldn't have it any other way.
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