my choices, my life

Shawnee123 · 12-07-2006, 01:42 PM

Never fucking mind

Clodfobble · 12-07-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

I always thought hard work was rewarded; I never believed that being a phony could ultimately get you somewhere.

Being a phony can indeed get you somewhere, but one place it can't get you is happy or surrounded by genuine friends. On the other hand, the idea that hard work is always rewarded is obviously false. 'Working hard at something and waiting for the reward' is very different from 'working hard at getting rewarded.'

Does leaving your job mean that you will definitely have to leave town? IMHO, leaving coworkers is not so big a deal, but leaving family is. Surely your skills could be transferrable to another job in the same area? Keep in mind that you don't have to stay in the exact same type of position, check out the "Working" thread to see how average people's careers have jumped all over the place. You might be surprised who would hire you outside your field.

Ultimately, I consider job satisfaction to be a whole-picture kind of thing, and if one part makes you miserable it doesn't matter how great the rest is. There are other jobs out there with hours flexibility, and other friendly coworkers in other companies. Can't hurt to look, anyway.

One other thing you might consider before looking, however, is whether your "great boss" knows about your dissatisfaction. Sit down with him and tell him you're genuinely considering leaving, and you never know what they might offer you.

Beestie · 12-07-2006, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Being a phony can indeed get you somewhere...

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Sit down with him and tell him you're genuinely considering leaving, and you never know what they might offer you.

Good advice. I'd consider taking it.

dar512 · 12-07-2006, 02:51 PM

Here's an easy thing to try and it doesn't require you to be pushy. Keep careful track of the work you do. Don't oversell anything, just state the case. Email the list weekly to your supervisor. Call it weekly status. If you don't see a change in your situation, either you're not as big a producer as you thought or your supervisor doesn't care that you work harder than your peers. In any case, this is easy to do, doesn't call for grandstanding and will at least let you know where you stand.

Shawnee123 · 12-07-2006, 04:30 PM

Thanks everyone.

Actually, my boss does know and understand...and feels much the same way I do. There's just not a whole lot to be done. She encourages me to think about other opportunities at the college, because she knows my abilities; she always encourages me with the disclaimer "this is so hard for me because I don't want you to leave." We talked about this just today and she did have some ideas for a proposal to change the way my position is viewed.

It's my bosses boss who doesn't seem to see it. She is the one whose ass gets kissed. But, I like her, too. That's why it is so much harder because I never believed she would fall for the phony.

At any rate, I agree that leaving family is harder than leaving coworkers. I would like to stay in education and stay working at a college; that's why I might have to move should an ideal position come up.

Our state association had a job listing at a college in Toledo. It would require a move...but the job is exactly what I like doing and what I'm good at...for a good wage. I guess this is what prompted me to ask for advice.

It's just been such a crappy day...with the whole coworker thing hitting me in the face more than once. I have been struggling with this for a long time. My boss is very clear on my feelings and agrees. I even pray that this is taken off my heart because anger hurts. I just can't seem to get over it. Like I said, it's the combination of struggling financially, seeing my sickly paycheck every two weeks, and knowing that my hard work is overshadowed by politics. That other thread made me think that I should make a move. And, the thing holding me back there is a little bit of fear mixed with a smidgen of unknown, and the undying adage that money doesn't buy happiness.

Elspode · 12-07-2006, 04:50 PM

1. People suck

2. Be glad that you and I aren't people

Clodfobble · 12-07-2006, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

and the undying adage that money doesn't buy happiness.

For the record, neither does being poor. Being happy is its own pursuit, and there is nothing shameful in pursuing money at the same time.

Shawnee123 · 12-11-2006, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

For the record, neither does being poor. Being happy is its own pursuit, and there is nothing shameful in pursuing money at the same time.

Good point. I think I needed to hear that.

And 'spode, you are correct as well.

BigV · 12-11-2006, 11:23 AM

From a strictly mathematical viewpoint, what makes 100%? What does it mean to give MORE than 100%?

Have you ever wondered about those people who say they are giving more than 100%?!?

We have all been to those meetings where someone wants you to give over 100%.

How on earth are you supposed to be able to achieve 103%?

Here's a little mathematical formula that might help you answer these questions:

What makes up 100% in life?

If:
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

is represented as:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26

Then: H-A-R-D-W-O-R-K
8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 = 98%

and

K-N-O-W-L-E-D-G-E
11+14+15+23+12+5+4+7+5 = 96%

But,

A-T-T-I-T-U-D-E
1+20+20+9+20+21+4+5 = 100%

However:

B-U-L-L- S-H-I-T
2+21+12+12+19+8+9+20 = 103%

AND, look how far ass kissing will take you!

A-S-S-K-I-S-S-I-N-G
1+19+19+11+9+19+19+9+14+7 = 118%

So, one can then conclude with mathematical certainty that: While Hard work and Knowledge may get you close, only Attitude will get you there. But more importantly – never forget that Bullshit and Ass Kissing will put you over the top.

Shawnee123 · 12-11-2006, 11:26 AM

Ahh, see I was viewing it from an emotional standpoint when all along I should have applied science.

Thanks!

xoxoxoBruce · 12-11-2006, 05:18 PM

Besides science and emotion there is a practical aspect. The more money you make the better gifts I get.

There is no shame in wanting to be recognized for what you, and your boss, feel do well. Monetary compensation is the most rewarding recognition, in most cases, so there's reason to want Mo Money.

Sundae · 12-11-2006, 05:33 PM

As long as I have enough to keep me on my feet (and some treats) I'd rather have the recognition.

I'll never be rich with that attitude!
(I should have stayed married to money - ah well, so much for integrity)

Shawnee123 · 12-11-2006, 07:56 PM

I like the money. I don't need much though...I'm not much for material things. I just like to have a comfort zone, a nicely running car, treats (as SG pointed out), etc.
I shouldn't complain; I have many wonderful things in my life, and most of the financial mess is my own. I'll get through it.

By the way, you are some darn good people here!

Bruce, you and your gifts. What did you do with the 5000 I sent you?

xoxoxoBruce · 12-13-2006, 10:17 PM

I autographed them and gave them to my 5,000 closest disciples.

They said to say thanks.

yesman065 · 12-13-2006, 10:27 PM

guess I'm lower than I thought Bruce - cuz I didn't get one

12-07-2006, 01:42 PM	#1
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	my choices, my life Never fucking mind __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby Last edited by Shawnee123; 12-07-2006 at 02:37 PM.

12-07-2006, 02:51 PM	#4
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	Here's an easy thing to try and it doesn't require you to be pushy. Keep careful track of the work you do. Don't oversell anything, just state the case. Email the list weekly to your supervisor. Call it weekly status. If you don't see a change in your situation, either you're not as big a producer as you thought or your supervisor doesn't care that you work harder than your peers. In any case, this is easy to do, doesn't call for grandstanding and will at least let you know where you stand. __________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." -- Friedrich Schiller

12-07-2006, 04:30 PM	#5
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Thanks everyone. Actually, my boss does know and understand...and feels much the same way I do. There's just not a whole lot to be done. She encourages me to think about other opportunities at the college, because she knows my abilities; she always encourages me with the disclaimer "this is so hard for me because I don't want you to leave." We talked about this just today and she did have some ideas for a proposal to change the way my position is viewed. It's my bosses boss who doesn't seem to see it. She is the one whose ass gets kissed. But, I like her, too. That's why it is so much harder because I never believed she would fall for the phony. At any rate, I agree that leaving family is harder than leaving coworkers. I would like to stay in education and stay working at a college; that's why I might have to move should an ideal position come up. Our state association had a job listing at a college in Toledo. It would require a move...but the job is exactly what I like doing and what I'm good at...for a good wage. I guess this is what prompted me to ask for advice. It's just been such a crappy day...with the whole coworker thing hitting me in the face more than once. I have been struggling with this for a long time. My boss is very clear on my feelings and agrees. I even pray that this is taken off my heart because anger hurts. I just can't seem to get over it. Like I said, it's the combination of struggling financially, seeing my sickly paycheck every two weeks, and knowing that my hard work is overshadowed by politics. That other thread made me think that I should make a move. And, the thing holding me back there is a little bit of fear mixed with a smidgen of unknown, and the undying adage that money doesn't buy happiness. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

12-07-2006, 04:50 PM	#6
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	1. People suck 2. Be glad that you and I aren't people __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

12-11-2006, 11:23 AM	#9
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	I first saw this as humor, but later realized it is partly and sadly true. From a strictly mathematical viewpoint, what makes 100%? What does it mean to give MORE than 100%? Have you ever wondered about those people who say they are giving more than 100%?!? We have all been to those meetings where someone wants you to give over 100%. How on earth are you supposed to be able to achieve 103%? Here's a little mathematical formula that might help you answer these questions: What makes up 100% in life? If: A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z is represented as: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 Then: H-A-R-D-W-O-R-K 8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 = 98% and K-N-O-W-L-E-D-G-E 11+14+15+23+12+5+4+7+5 = 96% But, A-T-T-I-T-U-D-E 1+20+20+9+20+21+4+5 = 100% However: B-U-L-L- S-H-I-T 2+21+12+12+19+8+9+20 = 103% AND, look how far ass kissing will take you! A-S-S-K-I-S-S-I-N-G 1+19+19+11+9+19+19+9+14+7 = 118% So, one can then conclude with mathematical certainty that: While Hard work and Knowledge may get you close, only Attitude will get you there. But more importantly – never forget that Bullshit and Ass Kissing will put you over the top. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

12-11-2006, 11:26 AM	#10
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Ahh, see I was viewing it from an emotional standpoint when all along I should have applied science. Thanks! __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

12-11-2006, 05:18 PM	#11
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Besides science and emotion there is a practical aspect. The more money you make the better gifts I get. There is no shame in wanting to be recognized for what you, and your boss, feel do well. Monetary compensation is the most rewarding recognition, in most cases, so there's reason to want Mo Money. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-11-2006, 05:33 PM	#12
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	As long as I have enough to keep me on my feet (and some treats) I'd rather have the recognition. I'll never be rich with that attitude! (I should have stayed married to money - ah well, so much for integrity) __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

12-11-2006, 07:56 PM	#13
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I like the money. I don't need much though...I'm not much for material things. I just like to have a comfort zone, a nicely running car, treats (as SG pointed out), etc. I shouldn't complain; I have many wonderful things in my life, and most of the financial mess is my own. I'll get through it. By the way, you are some darn good people here! Bruce, you and your gifts. What did you do with the 5000 I sent you? __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

12-13-2006, 10:17 PM	#14
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I autographed them and gave them to my 5,000 closest disciples. They said to say thanks. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-13-2006, 10:27 PM	#15
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	guess I'm lower than I thought Bruce - cuz I didn't get one

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