Kefir

Clodfobble · 08-30-2010, 09:11 AM

Well, there's no turning back now. I have officially crossed well beyond the dirty-hippie line, and started making my own kefir at home.

Realistically, it was a financial decision more than anything: in an ideal world, the amount of probiotics my children could benefit from would run $200 a month just by themselves, and we have other meds we have to buy. But if I can grow it myself for next to nothing, at a potency 2-3 times higher than even $200 could buy me...

Anyway, the thing that sealed the deal for us is I learned of the existence of water kefir, which is a different combination of species that thrive happily on plain sugar water, rather than dairy. (I know you can also grow traditional kefir in coconut water, but we've got coconut allergies to contend with, nevermind the inherent problems of dairy.) My first batch took 5 days to properly ferment, which I was told to expect since the grains had to go dormant after not being fed for a couple days in the mail. But my second batch is doing quite well, and I'm looking to strain it at the 2-day mark. And the grains themselves are already starting to grow too, which is very exciting.

I haven't given any to the kids yet, I want to go through several more batches and make sure I'm doing everything right before I subject them to anything. But I've been drinking my first batch, and it's pretty good. Well, it's still very sugary since it only got half-assed fermentation, so maybe that's helping my impression of it. But in the meantime, my second batch is being flavored with dried cherries (recommended to pick up the fermentation pace if they're being slow to wake up,) so I'm looking forward to the results of that.

Mr. Clod is openly disgusted by this whole thing.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-30-2010, 09:38 AM

Tell him it's beer.

classicman · 08-30-2010, 10:59 AM

WOW - more amazement at the mighty Clodfobble.

I know nothing of this Kefir - just be careful...

sweetwater · 08-30-2010, 12:26 PM

I have not heard of Kefir before, either, but it sounds interesting. Will be a while before I'm bold enough to experiment with fermented milk products, but I hope you keep us posted on your progress.

Clodfobble · 08-30-2010, 01:51 PM

You don't have to do it yourself, you can buy commercially-made kefir that's as safe as, for example, commercially-made yogurt. (The drawback being that it has about the same probiotic content of commercially-made yogurt, which is a tiny fraction of what the 24-hour fermented product you could make at home will have.) Nowadays you don't even have to go to Whole Foods, you can probably find it at your regular grocery store.

Pete Zicato · 08-30-2010, 02:18 PM

Yep. The local Jewel has Kefir.

Gravdigr · 08-30-2010, 05:33 PM

Kefir. Stop making me learn stuff.

Griff · 08-30-2010, 05:41 PM

I was making goat milk kefir last year but I never got used to the flavor, maybe I'll try again.

Clodfobble · 08-30-2010, 05:49 PM

Yeah, goat milk's already pretty tart to begin with, I can't even drink it straight without fermentation (though I love goat yogurt if I can drip it first to remove some tartness.) You can always blend sweeter flavors in with it though, fruits or honey or something. Even with the water kefir, which is less sour than milk kefir, I'm finding I like it better with a little fruit juice added to take the edge off.

Griff · 08-30-2010, 05:53 PM

Imma try that.

HungLikeJesus · 08-31-2010, 10:19 PM

I thought kefir was a racist term.

08-30-2010, 09:11 AM	#1
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Kefir Well, there's no turning back now. I have officially crossed well beyond the dirty-hippie line, and started making my own kefir at home. Realistically, it was a financial decision more than anything: in an ideal world, the amount of probiotics my children could benefit from would run $200 a month just by themselves, and we have other meds we have to buy. But if I can grow it myself for next to nothing, at a potency 2-3 times higher than even $200 could buy me... Anyway, the thing that sealed the deal for us is I learned of the existence of water kefir, which is a different combination of species that thrive happily on plain sugar water, rather than dairy. (I know you can also grow traditional kefir in coconut water, but we've got coconut allergies to contend with, nevermind the inherent problems of dairy.) My first batch took 5 days to properly ferment, which I was told to expect since the grains had to go dormant after not being fed for a couple days in the mail. But my second batch is doing quite well, and I'm looking to strain it at the 2-day mark. And the grains themselves are already starting to grow too, which is very exciting. I haven't given any to the kids yet, I want to go through several more batches and make sure I'm doing everything right before I subject them to anything. But I've been drinking my first batch, and it's pretty good. Well, it's still very sugary since it only got half-assed fermentation, so maybe that's helping my impression of it. But in the meantime, my second batch is being flavored with dried cherries (recommended to pick up the fermentation pace if they're being slow to wake up,) so I'm looking forward to the results of that. Mr. Clod is openly disgusted by this whole thing. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

08-30-2010, 09:38 AM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Tell him it's beer. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-30-2010, 10:59 AM	#3
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	WOW - more amazement at the mighty Clodfobble. I know nothing of this Kefir - just be careful... __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

08-30-2010, 12:26 PM	#4
sweetwater lives inside a Mobius strip Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,120	I have not heard of Kefir before, either, but it sounds interesting. Will be a while before I'm bold enough to experiment with fermented milk products, but I hope you keep us posted on your progress. __________________ I knew I shoulda taken that left turn at Albuquerque! - Bugs Bunny

08-30-2010, 01:51 PM	#5
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	You don't have to do it yourself, you can buy commercially-made kefir that's as safe as, for example, commercially-made yogurt. (The drawback being that it has about the same probiotic content of commercially-made yogurt, which is a tiny fraction of what the 24-hour fermented product you could make at home will have.) Nowadays you don't even have to go to Whole Foods, you can probably find it at your regular grocery store. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

08-30-2010, 02:18 PM	#6
Pete Zicato Turns out my CRS is a symptom of TMB. Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 2,916	Yep. The local Jewel has Kefir. __________________ Talk nerdy to me.

08-30-2010, 05:33 PM	#7
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	Kefir. Stop making me learn stuff. __________________ These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, EPA, FBI, DEA, CDC, or FDIC. These statements are not intended to diagnose, cause, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you feel you have been harmed/offended by, or, disagree with any of the above statements or images, please feel free to fuck right off.

08-30-2010, 05:41 PM	#8
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	I was making goat milk kefir last year but I never got used to the flavor, maybe I'll try again. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-30-2010, 05:49 PM	#9
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Yeah, goat milk's already pretty tart to begin with, I can't even drink it straight without fermentation (though I love goat yogurt if I can drip it first to remove some tartness.) You can always blend sweeter flavors in with it though, fruits or honey or something. Even with the water kefir, which is less sour than milk kefir, I'm finding I like it better with a little fruit juice added to take the edge off. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

08-30-2010, 05:53 PM	#10
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Imma try that. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-31-2010, 10:19 PM	#11
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	I thought kefir was a racist term. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

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