Why Bother Having Rules If You're Going to Violate Them Before You Start?

wolf · 02-16-2011, 10:56 AM

Okay, so the nuthouse is doing The Biggest Loser. There is a total of $900 at stake, which will be divided into 4 prizes -- 1st thru 4th Biggest Loser if there is a mix of males and females leading, 1st and 2nd Male and 1st and 2nd female if all the males lose weight faster to compensate for that effect ... so the initial setup appears to include elements of fairness.

There are two rules. No Bariatric Surgery and No Starvation.

So I hear the person who is organizing it on the phone yesterday ... she's saying "and so and so is in it ..."

So and so has gastric bypass.

I have called foul, but so far they are allowing her to be in, claiming, "Well, she plateaued. She's really doing it for the support and motivation."

"She's cheating," I say. She should not be in it.

So, FatLeader is going to poll the other participants to see if they mind that someone who is cheating is in the game.

If she's not kicked off the island, do I drop out?

Perry Winkle · 02-16-2011, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

If she's not kicked off the island, do I drop out?

No. You stay in. You beat her. At the contest of course, not with a lead pipe.

Pico and ME · 02-16-2011, 12:24 PM

Yeah...see the challenge and meet it.

Nirvana · 02-16-2011, 12:30 PM

Maybe they can let her participate for some other prize if she reaches a certain goal since she has an unfair advantage. That way she can feel included.

Trilby · 02-16-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana

Maybe they can let her participate for some other prize if she reaches a certain goal since she has an unfair advantage. That way she can feel included.

This one. She shouldn't be eligible for the prize. If she loses weight she gets a Miss Congeniality-type prize.

monster · 02-16-2011, 02:24 PM

When did she have the gastric bypass?

Spexxvet · 02-16-2011, 02:25 PM

If she's more than two years out from gastric bypass surgery, she's already lost all she's going to lose from the surgery. Any additional that she might lose will take the same effort that you'll have to put forth.

wolf · 02-17-2011, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by monster

When did she have the gastric bypass?

Just about a year, according to other folks.

She has already lost about 100 pounds, also according to other's reports.

From what I've guessed about her height, and what I know about her weight, she's at or near average weight for height, based on the table.

plthijinx · 02-17-2011, 10:58 AM

i agree with bri

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She shouldn't be eligible for the prize. If she loses weight she gets a Miss Congeniality-type prize.

i used to work with a guy that was so big he had to use a commercial scale to weigh himself. he did the gastric bypass and lost a lot of weight, something like 300 or more pounds. but rumor has it, he;s gained it all back.

Perry Winkle · 02-17-2011, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by plthijinx

i used to work with a guy that was so big he had to use a commercial scale to weigh himself. he did the gastric bypass and lost a lot of weight, something like 300 or more pounds. but rumor has it, he;s gained it all back.

I know I throw this out there far too often, but here it is. I lost 250 lbs. with diet and exercise. I've kept all but about 10-15 lbs of it off, and most of the gain has been muscle.

I hit my lowest weight in mid-2005 at 220 lbs (I'm 6'6").

I'm not a fan of gastric bypass. It's fine when it's used to save a life that is in immediate danger. I know some people have done it and succeeded. But most of the people I know that did it used it as a workaround for their lack of self-control and discipline.

There's no such thing as a free lunch, even if that lunch costs thousands of dollars. (I love faux wisdom.)

monster · 02-17-2011, 11:40 AM

I don't think you need worry about her having an unfair advantage. My understanding of the rules would be "after the start of the contest", although i can see that a very recent bypass would be an advantage..

footfootfoot · 02-17-2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Perry Winkle

I know I throw this out there far too often, but here it is. I lost 250 lbs. with diet and exercise. I've kept all but about 10-15 lbs of it off, and most of the gain has been muscle.

I hit my lowest weight in mid-2005 at 220 lbs (I'm 6'6").

I'm not a fan of gastric bypass. It's fine when it's used to save a life that is in immediate danger. I know some people have done it and succeeded. But most of the people I know that did it used it as a workaround for their lack of self-control and discipline.

There's no such thing as a free lunch, even if that lunch costs thousands of dollars. (I love faux wisdom.)

250+220=470
Dude, that is some serious ass will power!

And Wolf, you should stay in and win then do a victory dance.

Perry Winkle · 02-17-2011, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

Dude, that is some serious ass will power!

Not if you take it one decision at a time. That means you have to stop and actually make the decision and frame it as a good versus poor decision. You get in the habit, and it becomes self-perpetuating.

kerosene · 02-17-2011, 04:42 PM

That is a cool way to look at it. And transferable to all types of decisions.

Flint · 02-17-2011, 04:46 PM

Completely without reason, I read this thread title as "Why Bother Having Roosters If You're Going to Violate Them Before You Start?"

02-16-2011, 10:56 AM	#1
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Why Bother Having Rules If You're Going to Violate Them Before You Start? Okay, so the nuthouse is doing The Biggest Loser. There is a total of $900 at stake, which will be divided into 4 prizes -- 1st thru 4th Biggest Loser if there is a mix of males and females leading, 1st and 2nd Male and 1st and 2nd female if all the males lose weight faster to compensate for that effect ... so the initial setup appears to include elements of fairness. There are two rules. No Bariatric Surgery and No Starvation. So I hear the person who is organizing it on the phone yesterday ... she's saying "and so and so is in it ..." So and so has gastric bypass. I have called foul, but so far they are allowing her to be in, claiming, "Well, she plateaued. She's really doing it for the support and motivation." "She's cheating," I say. She should not be in it. So, FatLeader is going to poll the other participants to see if they mind that someone who is cheating is in the game. If she's not kicked off the island, do I drop out? __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

02-16-2011, 12:30 PM	#4
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	Maybe they can let her participate for some other prize if she reaches a certain goal since she has an unfair advantage. That way she can feel included. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

02-16-2011, 02:24 PM	#6
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	When did she have the gastric bypass? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-16-2011, 02:25 PM	#7
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	If she's more than two years out from gastric bypass surgery, she's already lost all she's going to lose from the surgery. Any additional that she might lose will take the same effort that you'll have to put forth. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

02-17-2011, 11:40 AM	#11
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	I don't think you need worry about her having an unfair advantage. My understanding of the rules would be "after the start of the contest", although i can see that a very recent bypass would be an advantage.. __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-16-2011, 12:24 PM	#3
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	Yeah...see the challenge and meet it.

02-17-2011, 04:42 PM	#14
kerosene Touring the facilities Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The plains of Colorado Posts: 3,476	That is a cool way to look at it. And transferable to all types of decisions.

02-17-2011, 04:46 PM	#15
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Completely without reason, I read this thread title as "Why Bother Having Roosters If You're Going to Violate Them Before You Start?" __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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