Illegal aliens a Social Security boon

Troubleshooter · 04-06-2005, 10:12 AM

http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.ph...5-095501-6756r

By UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL
Published April 5, 2005

STOCKTON, California -- Illegal aliens contribute $7 billion a year to U.S. Social Security coffers, and, given their immigrations status, are unlikely to ever collect benefits.

With debates in Congress over immigration and Social Security, the cross between the two issues has taken an interesting turn. There are an estimated 7 million illegal immigrants in the United States and they pay some $7 billion a year into the Social Security system, The New York Times reported.

The newspaper said the Social Security Administration, beginning in the 1980s, noticed a large number of W-2 reports with incorrect or faked Social Security numbers. Over the 1990s some $189 billion worth of wages were records by the SSA, the Times said.

The time frame coincides with the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, which set penalties for people who knowingly hire illegal aliens. A brisk business in fake identification and SSNs quickly grew, provided legal cover for the employers and, so far, a windfall for the SSA.

An SSA official told the Times the administration estimated 3/4 of illegal immigrants -- estimated by the Census Bureau at 3.8 million households -- pay payroll taxes. Those immigrants are not eligible to receive Social Security benefits.

Clodfobble · 04-06-2005, 12:55 PM

So let's see... 3/4 of the estimated 7 million illegal immigrants is 5,250,000.

$7 billion divided by 5,250,000 is $1333.33 per person per year.

In return for which they get free healthcare, schooling for their children, meals for their children at school (since they most likely qualify for free lunch programs), pay no property taxes (since they almost certainly rent), and live in a house three times the size of what they could afford in Mexico?

But they won't ever see a Social Security payment, just like I won't?

Boo fucking hoo.

wolf · 04-06-2005, 01:01 PM

Not a big issue but ... renters pay property taxes. It's part of the rent. Renters also pay water bills, and all the other stuff homeowners do ... we just don't see the individual tab, and can't bitch about it in quite the same way homeowners do.

lookout123 · 04-06-2005, 01:05 PM

you forgot to mention the tax money that is spent on building shaded areas for them to stand under while waiting for someone to hire them. oh, there's also the costs associated when the police stumble across 50-200 waiting in a drop house until they are released to look for work.

well, let's not forget about the expense we are paying for the thousands in our prison system, too.

wolf · 04-06-2005, 01:07 PM

The Minutemen seem to be working out, at least from the reports I've heard on the radio thus far.

lookout123 · 04-06-2005, 01:12 PM

yeah, what i've read is pretty ok. but the liberals are calling them racist rednecks and the republicans are calling them stupid rednecks...

all of talk radio land has fallen in step with Bush's immigration reform BS, so they are trying to get the average conservative to turn against "vigilantes like the minutmen".

one of the local reporters that is covering said they helped the border patrol find 172 illegals last night alone. they also identified a place where the drug runners are bringing in some pretty large quantities.

Clodfobble · 04-06-2005, 01:15 PM

Yeah, a friend of mine was going into Mexico for Spring Break, and she was told by border guards that they had just caught the number one drug trafficker, and all the little guys were going nuts trying to get his business in his absence, so certain cities were in total chaos right now and should be avoided.

Clodfobble · 04-06-2005, 03:21 PM

Oh! OH! ANNNND...

Let's not forget that they don't pay for car insurance.

Around $100 a month = $1200 a year, almost cancels out their SS loss. And MY rates rise when they hit me, which happens because they learned to drive in Mexico, where--I shit you not--their government has had to install speed bumps on the goddamned highways.

Sorry. I'll return to normal breathing shortly.

cowhead · 04-06-2005, 04:21 PM

I've been listening to this whole minutemen thing unfold on the radio.. as I've said before I've known some Illegals in the past, and in thier cases, I had no problem with what they were doing, moved up here and worked their asses off for 3 years, saved as much as they could and then went back home (presumably much wealthier than they were when they left), as to the ones who move up here and just live? the main problem I have with them is that they are taking up huge numbers of jobs in the industry in which I work. In Kansas City there are now kitchens with entirely illegal staffs (except the management of course) which is driving the wages and benefits (which are rare enough) down and suffice to say that sucks.

but then again.. 99% of us are illegal immigrants as well..
then again... we did conquer this nation, and as much as I kinda feel bad about that, in all of history the natives here got out of being invaded pretty well off.

*ducking*

lookout123 · 04-06-2005, 04:29 PM

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the natives here got out of being invaded pretty well off.

i'm not too sure about that.

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99% of us are illegal immigrants as well..

how do you figure?

immigrants? yes. illegal immigrants? no.

Tonchi · 04-07-2005, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

immigrants? yes. illegal immigrants? no.

Speak for yourself

I had an uncle who started out in Austria, was turned back from the US, so he jumped ship in Nicaragua and made his way up to Wisconsin to join his brothers, quite illegally, over a period of several years. (Well, yeah, it was 80 years ago)

Don't get me wrong, I'm very nervous about the illegal immigrant problems right now as much as the rest of you, but I have to admit that if it were ME on the other side of whatever barrier had been erected between my family and security and opportunity, I'd be doing everything they have done, and more.

jaguar · 04-07-2005, 08:09 AM

........Bitchbitchbitchbitchbitch coloured people are taking my job/tax/money/home/sponging off the system...I bet you'd all change your tune if you saw what happened if they all left. If you want to get into the fiscal nittygritty about how badly done by you are I'd advise a quick primer on deflationary pressure.

wolf · 04-07-2005, 10:23 AM

We hate the shit out of white illegals too. Goddamn Canadians.

Troubleshooter · 04-07-2005, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

We hate the shit out of white illegals too. Goddamn Canadians.

You can't trust anybody whose head flaps like that when they talk.

Catwoman · 04-08-2005, 08:09 AM

I had an argument with a man in my local last night. I interrupted a conversation that sounded interesting and after hearing him pose the question, 'Who owns this world? Us or the government?' I tried to explain that the government is made up of people too, and they are not that different from anyone in this pub. He got slightly agitated at this and said did I not think his opinion was important then? I said yes, but no more important than anyone elses, and how would poor Tony Blair deal with 60 million people turning up at his doorstep all insisting that their opinion was the right one? He then got ever so slightly more agitated and said 'Look lady, you've got a lot to learn mumble mumble mumble' and left the building.

I forget the point of telling you this but it is something along the lines of not being able to change the system to your benefit, and stop thinking you're right. Oh and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and enjoy your own life, which naturally never causes anyone harm in sweat shops, financial deficit or sheer annoyance.

04-06-2005, 10:12 AM	#1
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Illegal aliens a Social Security boon http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.ph...5-095501-6756r By UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL Published April 5, 2005 STOCKTON, California -- Illegal aliens contribute $7 billion a year to U.S. Social Security coffers, and, given their immigrations status, are unlikely to ever collect benefits. With debates in Congress over immigration and Social Security, the cross between the two issues has taken an interesting turn. There are an estimated 7 million illegal immigrants in the United States and they pay some $7 billion a year into the Social Security system, The New York Times reported. The newspaper said the Social Security Administration, beginning in the 1980s, noticed a large number of W-2 reports with incorrect or faked Social Security numbers. Over the 1990s some $189 billion worth of wages were records by the SSA, the Times said. The time frame coincides with the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, which set penalties for people who knowingly hire illegal aliens. A brisk business in fake identification and SSNs quickly grew, provided legal cover for the employers and, so far, a windfall for the SSA. An SSA official told the Times the administration estimated 3/4 of illegal immigrants -- estimated by the Census Bureau at 3.8 million households -- pay payroll taxes. Those immigrants are not eligible to receive Social Security benefits. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

04-06-2005, 01:01 PM	#3
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Not a big issue but ... renters pay property taxes. It's part of the rent. Renters also pay water bills, and all the other stuff homeowners do ... we just don't see the individual tab, and can't bitch about it in quite the same way homeowners do. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

04-06-2005, 01:05 PM	#4
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	you forgot to mention the tax money that is spent on building shaded areas for them to stand under while waiting for someone to hire them. oh, there's also the costs associated when the police stumble across 50-200 waiting in a drop house until they are released to look for work. well, let's not forget about the expense we are paying for the thousands in our prison system, too. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

04-06-2005, 01:07 PM	#5
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	The Minutemen seem to be working out, at least from the reports I've heard on the radio thus far. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

04-06-2005, 01:12 PM	#6
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	yeah, what i've read is pretty ok. but the liberals are calling them racist rednecks and the republicans are calling them stupid rednecks... all of talk radio land has fallen in step with Bush's immigration reform BS, so they are trying to get the average conservative to turn against "vigilantes like the minutmen". one of the local reporters that is covering said they helped the border patrol find 172 illegals last night alone. they also identified a place where the drug runners are bringing in some pretty large quantities. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

04-06-2005, 12:55 PM	#2
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	So let's see... 3/4 of the estimated 7 million illegal immigrants is 5,250,000. $7 billion divided by 5,250,000 is $1333.33 per person per year. In return for which they get free healthcare, schooling for their children, meals for their children at school (since they most likely qualify for free lunch programs), pay no property taxes (since they almost certainly rent), and live in a house three times the size of what they could afford in Mexico? But they won't ever see a Social Security payment, just like I won't? Boo fucking hoo.

04-06-2005, 01:15 PM	#7
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Yeah, a friend of mine was going into Mexico for Spring Break, and she was told by border guards that they had just caught the number one drug trafficker, and all the little guys were going nuts trying to get his business in his absence, so certain cities were in total chaos right now and should be avoided.

04-06-2005, 03:21 PM	#8
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Oh! OH! ANNNND... Let's not forget that they don't pay for car insurance. Around $100 a month = $1200 a year, almost cancels out their SS loss. And MY rates rise when they hit me, which happens because they learned to drive in Mexico, where--I shit you not--their government has had to install speed bumps on the goddamned highways. Sorry. I'll return to normal breathing shortly.

04-06-2005, 04:21 PM	#9
cowhead halve your cake and eat it too. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Georgia.. by way of Lawrence Kansas Posts: 1,359	I've been listening to this whole minutemen thing unfold on the radio.. as I've said before I've known some Illegals in the past, and in thier cases, I had no problem with what they were doing, moved up here and worked their asses off for 3 years, saved as much as they could and then went back home (presumably much wealthier than they were when they left), as to the ones who move up here and just live? the main problem I have with them is that they are taking up huge numbers of jobs in the industry in which I work. In Kansas City there are now kitchens with entirely illegal staffs (except the management of course) which is driving the wages and benefits (which are rare enough) down and suffice to say that sucks. but then again.. 99% of us are illegal immigrants as well.. then again... we did conquer this nation, and as much as I kinda feel bad about that, in all of history the natives here got out of being invaded pretty well off. ducking __________________ no my child.. this is not my desire..I'm digging for fire.

04-07-2005, 08:09 AM	#12
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	........Bitchbitchbitchbitchbitch coloured people are taking my job/tax/money/home/sponging off the system...I bet you'd all change your tune if you saw what happened if they all left. If you want to get into the fiscal nittygritty about how badly done by you are I'd advise a quick primer on deflationary pressure. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

04-07-2005, 10:23 AM	#13
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	We hate the shit out of white illegals too. Goddamn Canadians. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

04-08-2005, 08:09 AM	#15
Catwoman stalking a Tom Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: on the edge of the english channel Posts: 1,000	I had an argument with a man in my local last night. I interrupted a conversation that sounded interesting and after hearing him pose the question, 'Who owns this world? Us or the government?' I tried to explain that the government is made up of people too, and they are not that different from anyone in this pub. He got slightly agitated at this and said did I not think his opinion was important then? I said yes, but no more important than anyone elses, and how would poor Tony Blair deal with 60 million people turning up at his doorstep all insisting that their opinion was the right one? He then got ever so slightly more agitated and said 'Look lady, you've got a lot to learn mumble mumble mumble' and left the building. I forget the point of telling you this but it is something along the lines of not being able to change the system to your benefit, and stop thinking you're right. Oh and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and enjoy your own life, which naturally never causes anyone harm in sweat shops, financial deficit or sheer annoyance. __________________ I've decided I'm not going to have a signature anymore.

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