Web Page 101

LCanal · 04-25-2005, 09:30 PM

Sorry to be uninspired but maybe someone could take a couple of seconds to recommend the best software for a first time web page.

I need a hobby and a friend's bar needs a simple web page.

smoothmoniker · 04-25-2005, 11:09 PM

dreamweaver + css style sheets.

Troubleshooter · 04-26-2005, 09:41 AM

He said simple and first time...

Try this: http://www.editpadpro.com/editpadlite.html

Find a page that you like somewhere, steal the html and edit it with that program.

Bang, instant web page.

Beestie · 04-26-2005, 10:56 AM

style sheets? Dreamweaver? For a newbie? Yikes.

First, learn the basics of HTML at www.weballey.net. You might spend a couple days going through the info but if you master the material on this site, you can build quite a nice web page that will work for all browsers and all resolutions.

Then, either use TS' link or www.textpad.com and use a basic text editor to compose the HTML. I'm not familiar with editPad but Text pad has a built in HTML editor mode with many HTML tags that you can add with a simple doubleclick. Save the doc as type "HTML" and it will color code it for you to make editing a snap.

I think it best if you do something absurdly quick and simple and post your pages to your site just to make one complete cycle through the development process. Then, go back and add enhancements as you acquire more skill and more daring.

Pls provide a link to your web page when you post it.

smoothmoniker · 04-26-2005, 12:16 PM

I had no background in html or design, and got dreamweaver and stylesheets to work very quickly and very simply.

I guess you need to be a bit of a digit head to just jump right into it, but still, it's not like your coding entire server side apps with it.

jaguar · 04-26-2005, 12:43 PM

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steal the html and edit it with that program.

Just because it's easy doesn't mean it's right, it's code and layout theft that's making more and more coders use increasingly complex obsfucation of anything that goes near the client. If it really is good don't think you'll get away with it either, there sophisticated tools for tracking and proving this stuff in court, good sites that work across all browsers take good time and money to develop.

Troubleshooter · 04-26-2005, 12:58 PM

My point was more along the lines of look at the page, look at the html, learn the appropriate tags to do what you want and then move on from there.

Anyone sophisticated enough to grab and modify a serious page would be writing their own.

Beestie · 04-26-2005, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jaguar

Just because it's easy doesn't mean it's right...there sophisticated tools for tracking and proving this stuff in court

Holy crap, jag - I figured he was looking to put up a site for pics of his dog or something.

Hmmmm.... ! Unless, of course, he's hoodwinked Dell Computers into letting him revamp their B2B eCommerce site in which case I take back what I said about Dreamweaver and css

dar512 · 04-26-2005, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jaguar

Just because it's easy doesn't mean it's right, it's code and layout theft that's making more and more coders use increasingly complex obsfucation of anything that goes near the client. If it really is good don't think you'll get away with it either, there sophisticated tools for tracking and proving this stuff in court, good sites that work across all browsers take good time and money to develop.

I am heartily in favor of honoring intellectual property rights. Does that mean, Jag, that you don't download copyrighted music?

OnyxCougar · 04-26-2005, 01:53 PM

I second the suggestion to learn the HTML yourself.

www.webmonkey.com

is a really good resource for new coders....and it's got a step by step course. free.

jaguar · 04-26-2005, 02:40 PM

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Anyone sophisticated enough to grab and modify a serious page would be writing their own.

If only. Sadly it's very, very common to see entire layouts copied in quite sophisticated ways. There's nothing wrong with looking to learn but copying/pasting code is IP theft, which isn't normal theft but it's still wrong.

jaguar · 04-26-2005, 03:29 PM

Was waiting for that. When web development is controlled by a tiny cartel that artifically elevate prices and screw coders hard you'll have a point. If it's non-riaa, I buy it.

Cain · 04-26-2005, 05:22 PM

Nvu For the software (free)

W3 Schools and webmonkey (as mentioned) for some instruction, if you need any.

LCanal · 04-26-2005, 11:13 PM

Thank You all.

Sorted

russotto · 04-27-2005, 09:41 AM

Look-n-feel copyrights died in Apple v. Microsoft. Copy away.

04-25-2005, 09:30 PM	#1
LCanal I hope to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sumatra Posts: 257	Web Page 101 Sorry to be uninspired but maybe someone could take a couple of seconds to recommend the best software for a first time web page. I need a hobby and a friend's bar needs a simple web page. __________________ "Happiness is like sex. In order to get any good out of it, you have to give it to someone else."

04-25-2005, 11:09 PM	#2
smoothmoniker to live and die in LA Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,090	dreamweaver + css style sheets. __________________ to live and die in LA

04-26-2005, 09:41 AM	#3
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	He said simple and first time... Try this: http://www.editpadpro.com/editpadlite.html Find a page that you like somewhere, steal the html and edit it with that program. Bang, instant web page. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

04-26-2005, 10:56 AM	#4
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	style sheets? Dreamweaver? For a newbie? Yikes. First, learn the basics of HTML at www.weballey.net. You might spend a couple days going through the info but if you master the material on this site, you can build quite a nice web page that will work for all browsers and all resolutions. Then, either use TS' link or www.textpad.com and use a basic text editor to compose the HTML. I'm not familiar with editPad but Text pad has a built in HTML editor mode with many HTML tags that you can add with a simple doubleclick. Save the doc as type "HTML" and it will color code it for you to make editing a snap. I think it best if you do something absurdly quick and simple and post your pages to your site just to make one complete cycle through the development process. Then, go back and add enhancements as you acquire more skill and more daring. Pls provide a link to your web page when you post it. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

04-26-2005, 12:16 PM	#5
smoothmoniker to live and die in LA Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,090	I had no background in html or design, and got dreamweaver and stylesheets to work very quickly and very simply. I guess you need to be a bit of a digit head to just jump right into it, but still, it's not like your coding entire server side apps with it. __________________ to live and die in LA

04-26-2005, 12:58 PM	#7
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	My point was more along the lines of look at the page, look at the html, learn the appropriate tags to do what you want and then move on from there. Anyone sophisticated enough to grab and modify a serious page would be writing their own. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

04-26-2005, 01:53 PM	#10
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	I second the suggestion to learn the HTML yourself. www.webmonkey.com is a really good resource for new coders....and it's got a step by step course. free. __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

04-26-2005, 03:29 PM	#12
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Was waiting for that. When web development is controlled by a tiny cartel that artifically elevate prices and screw coders hard you'll have a point. If it's non-riaa, I buy it. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

04-26-2005, 05:22 PM	#13
Cain Sentimental Sentient Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cainada Posts: 38	Nvu For the software (free) W3 Schools and webmonkey (as mentioned) for some instruction, if you need any.

04-26-2005, 11:13 PM	#14
LCanal I hope to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sumatra Posts: 257	Thank You all. Sorted __________________ "Happiness is like sex. In order to get any good out of it, you have to give it to someone else."

04-27-2005, 09:41 AM	#15
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	Look-n-feel copyrights died in Apple v. Microsoft. Copy away.

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