D-Day

depmats · 06-07-2004, 11:02 AM

I have to say I was a little disappointed to check in this morning and find that there were no comments even taking note of the D-Day anniversary. Those men fought and many died for a noble cause and achieved something great. WWII vets are dieing by an average of 1100 per day. They won't be around much longer and thhey deserve to be honored by all.

jaguar · 06-07-2004, 11:04 AM

Too true. Brave bunch all round, we owe them and around 20m ruskies a heck of a lot.

Catwoman · 06-07-2004, 11:09 AM

I think this generation has disengaged with the war and our fragile history. It is imperative we remember. Once we forget, we may as well press replay and dance on their graves.

depmats · 06-07-2004, 11:09 AM

I don't want to start a flame war... but I am really curious to see-what people think about the French bringing the Germans to the D-Day hoopla?

jaguar · 06-07-2004, 11:11 AM

must've been a bit wierd but a lot of germans died too. In some ways it serves to highlight the stupidity of large groups of men who usually would have no fight with each other, most of whom don't want to be there, killing each other.

Beestie · 06-07-2004, 11:28 AM

Too many intervening wars fought on political ground. Its been a while since we fought a war with a genuine "bad guy" as opposed to a (so-called) "bad idea."

I think this unfortunate revision of "war" has led to the devaluation of the WWII soldier's true sacrifice by those who rely on the present definition of War to understand it.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-07-2004, 11:32 AM

Germans? Why not, they certainly played a significant role in the event being commemorated.

depmats · 06-07-2004, 11:37 AM

Maybe I am just too cynical. I am stuck wondering whether the Germans were invited because of a genuine desire to include them in the memorial; or was Chirac (sp) just making an attempt to slap the Americans in the face. That would be typical of him, but I might just be a little to cynical in this case.

depmats · 06-07-2004, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Germans? Why not, they certainly played a significant role in the event being commemorated.

The emperor of Japan played a significant role too, but we didn't invite him to any of the parades when the men came home from NY. Maybe the vanquished aggressors don't really belong at memorial events.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-07-2004, 11:44 AM

Tha Americans shouldn't have a problem. If they feel animosity toward the Germans, then this is a chance to gloat in their faces.
The Germans unlike the French were a combatant on D-Day.
If your thinking of more recent war, nah, they can't gang up on us.

jaguar · 06-07-2004, 11:46 AM

Er Bruce, Free French played a major role in disabling German defences and delaying and stopping reinforcements, I believe ike said they were worth a whole regiment or something to that effect.

depmats · 06-07-2004, 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
The Germans unlike the French were a combatant on D-Day.

You probably could have left off the "on D-Day" part. That isn't really fair on my part though, the French underground was crucial to the war effort. The rest of the country, however...

xoxoxoBruce · 06-07-2004, 11:50 AM

Well the french women kept the German officers busy while we got ready.

depmats · 06-07-2004, 11:55 AM

What happened to the females who had kids with the germans once the germans were gone though?

The Dutch took those ladies, shaved their heads and through them out of their towns.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-07-2004, 12:00 PM

True, they were ostracized after the fact, but they still helped us more than most, by keeping the Nazi officers distracted.

06-07-2004, 11:02 AM	#1
depmats Major Inhabitant Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 124	D-Day I have to say I was a little disappointed to check in this morning and find that there were no comments even taking note of the D-Day anniversary. Those men fought and many died for a noble cause and achieved something great. WWII vets are dieing by an average of 1100 per day. They won't be around much longer and thhey deserve to be honored by all.

06-07-2004, 11:04 AM	#2
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Too true. Brave bunch all round, we owe them and around 20m ruskies a heck of a lot. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

06-07-2004, 11:09 AM	#3
Catwoman stalking a Tom Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: on the edge of the english channel Posts: 1,000	I think this generation has disengaged with the war and our fragile history. It is imperative we remember. Once we forget, we may as well press replay and dance on their graves. __________________ I've decided I'm not going to have a signature anymore.

06-07-2004, 11:11 AM	#5
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	must've been a bit wierd but a lot of germans died too. In some ways it serves to highlight the stupidity of large groups of men who usually would have no fight with each other, most of whom don't want to be there, killing each other. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

06-07-2004, 11:28 AM	#6
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	Too many intervening wars fought on political ground. Its been a while since we fought a war with a genuine "bad guy" as opposed to a (so-called) "bad idea." I think this unfortunate revision of "war" has led to the devaluation of the WWII soldier's true sacrifice by those who rely on the present definition of War to understand it. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

06-07-2004, 11:32 AM	#7
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Germans? Why not, they certainly played a significant role in the event being commemorated. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-07-2004, 11:37 AM	#8
depmats Major Inhabitant Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 124	Maybe I am just too cynical. I am stuck wondering whether the Germans were invited because of a genuine desire to include them in the memorial; or was Chirac (sp) just making an attempt to slap the Americans in the face. That would be typical of him, but I might just be a little to cynical in this case.

06-07-2004, 11:44 AM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Tha Americans shouldn't have a problem. If they feel animosity toward the Germans, then this is a chance to gloat in their faces. The Germans unlike the French were a combatant on D-Day. If your thinking of more recent war, nah, they can't gang up on us. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-07-2004, 11:46 AM	#11
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Er Bruce, Free French played a major role in disabling German defences and delaying and stopping reinforcements, I believe ike said they were worth a whole regiment or something to that effect. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

06-07-2004, 11:50 AM	#13
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Well the french women kept the German officers busy while we got ready. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-07-2004, 11:55 AM	#14
depmats Major Inhabitant Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 124	What happened to the females who had kids with the germans once the germans were gone though? The Dutch took those ladies, shaved their heads and through them out of their towns.

06-07-2004, 12:00 PM	#15
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	True, they were ostracized after the fact, but they still helped us more than most, by keeping the Nazi officers distracted. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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