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[HungLikeJesus]

Isn't that why we eat - for the calories? Otherwise we could just have water.

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I could be wrong, but I'll guess their "fruit smoothies" are loaded with sugar and calories.

I wouldn't know. I make my own.

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

Isn't that why we eat - for the calories? Otherwise we could just have water.

I like water

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

But goddammit, it shouldn't be the government making that choice.

A partially-libertarian system doesn't work. Like Spexx said, as long as my tax dollars are going to pay for their emergency triple bypass, and their child's type II diabetes meds, I vote that they don't get to eat pure unadulterated bullshit. Or that it at least has to be a little harder for them to make that choice.

To put it another way, isn't this kind of like saying that it should be the blue-collar workers' choice whether they want to work in a factory that adheres to safety guidelines?

[CzinZumerzet]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I could be wrong, but I'll guess their "fruit smoothies" are loaded with sugar and calories.

The fruit smoothies were pure as the driven initially because they were in fact 'INNOCENT', practically sacred to foodies because they were totally uncontaminated by sugars and or preservatives or additives. However, the keepers of the flame rose up and wailed as one when Innocents went on sale in the golden archways alongside the deep fried apples.

I understand that Innocent have since been bought (sold out to?) Pepsi.

Just been told it was sold to Coca Cola in April iof this year

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

A partially-libertarian system doesn't work. Like Spexx said, as long as my tax dollars are going to pay for their emergency triple bypass, and their child's type II diabetes meds, I vote that they don't get to eat pure unadulterated bullshit. Or that it at least has to be a little harder for them to make that choice.

To put it another way, isn't this kind of like saying that it should be the blue-collar workers' choice whether they want to work in a factory that adheres to safety guidelines?

Well Spexx is a left wing socialist liberal, so I'd expect that. Pure unadulterated bullshit? I suspect your regimen has separated you from reality. While the food isn't the healthiest, it's far from poison. The numbers I've seen for McDonald's, say only a very small percentage eat there more than once a week, and most say they don't even eat there once a month. Obviously McDonald's isn't the problem, it's what they are eating at home. It's the parents who are responsible, and should be accountable. Are you suggesting the government should make supermarkets remove all cookies, ice cream, prepared foods, candy, etc? Hell, why not outlaw home kitchens, set up chow halls, and make everyone eat there.

[Lamplighter]

Will whoever is peeing in xoB's path please stop !

We need him to return to his old lovable self.

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

A partially-libertarian system doesn't work. Like Spexx said, as long as my tax dollars are going to pay for their emergency triple bypass, and their child's type II diabetes meds, I vote that they don't get to eat pure unadulterated bullshit. Or that it at least has to be a little harder for them to make that choice.

To put it another way, isn't this kind of like saying that it should be the blue-collar workers' choice whether they want to work in a factory that adheres to safety guidelines?

You are missing the point of the whole exercise. If you restrict corps like McD or ADM from creating all these medical "problems" (that's problem for you, possibilities for them) then how will the medical industry continue to be a 3 trillion dollar per year concern? We are just grist for the mill. As long as we can keep cranking out babies, and we seem to be doing pretty darn well at it,all things considered, there will always be more grist for the mill.

This really isn't about humans. Just follow the dollars.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

With all the TV, print, and internet haranguing about kids nutrition, there's no excuse for not knowing fast food is not a good steady diet for their kids.

Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun. That is nothing but good nutrition.

You are assuming people used intelligence to also know Saddam did not have WMDs. Facts said so. But an overwhelming majority only hear and only believe what propaganda tells them to believe. Facts be damned. Because of how people think (as proven here by Saddam's WMDs), almost everyone would *know* that list is nothing but best nutrition. We are told so every day even on TV kid shows. It must be true.

For your assumption to be true, you must explain the so many Cellar posts in 2002 and 2003 that believed WMDs when hard facts said otherwise.

[footfootfoot]

The Cellar: We never let facts get in the way of a good story.

oops wrong thread.

[tw]

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

The Cellar: We never let facts get in the way of a good story.

UT was about to put that atop the home page. If he does, is it now called plagiarism?

It you donate to the Cellar, is it called a tax writoff to a non-profit organization?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Non profit is not sufficient, it has to be charitable, so forget it.

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Will whoever is peeing in xoB's path please stop !

We need him to return to his old lovable self.

Don't like being called out on blatant lies?

[Sundae]

I'm confused about the problem.
As I said, here in the UK there are healthier choices available. That didn't come from a Government edict, it came from public pressure. In the same way McDonalds salads did, and only using British and Irish beef did.

The bottom line is that now parents can choose. Nothing stops an overweight five-year-old having a hamburger, fries and a McFlurry five days a week. Nothing but his parents. And believe me, many parents (and Grandparents) do choose the healthier options. The kids don't know any different - they love the Golden Arches and the plastic tables and the toys and they think they are getting away with something!

Despite National Insurance and nationalised healthcare meaning we all pay for "potential healthcare issues", that's the point of living in a representational democracy. People have paid for my depression, for my ongoing issues with alcohol, for the fact I take a PPI which is mostly due to my own poor lifestyle choices.

I honestly don't know if I support local government intervention - I prefer help and support rather than punitive measures. But I can't see why something that assists positive choices (ie along the same lines we have in McDonalds UK) can really be seen as Draconian. Until people's BMI is measured before they are allowed in the door - been advocated by diet extremists - I figure giving choice is not taking away freedom.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Well Spexx is a left wing socialist liberal, so I'd expect that.

Thanks for the dismissive comment.

[Trilby]

How many people in this cellar smoke?


I don't want to pay for their triple bypass surgery, either.

It's always the foodie, alkie or druggie with you people- you never talk about smokes. tsk tsk.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Non profit is not sufficient, it has to be charitable, so forget it.

Don't like being called out on blatant lies?

???