5/8/2002: Bomb robot drags dead suicide bomber

[Nothing But Net]

They are homicide bombings. Of innocent people, in general...

[Hubris Boy]

[Griff]

So I 'm thinking Hubris is trying out for DUDODPS. (Deputy Undersecretary Department of Defense Prevarication Subsection)

Blame Canada, Blame Canada!

[CharlieG]

Originally posted by Slight
Excuse me for not knowing all the lingo, but what is a "carry piece" and what does "double-tapped" mean?

"Carry Piece" - the gun you carry with you "Piece" - slang for pistol

"Double Tap" - Shoot rapidly twice at the same target "Bang, Bang" - Sometimes expanded to the "Mosambique (sp?) drill" - A "Double Tap" to the center of body mass, then a shot at the head if the perp isn't down -

Both are taught for the following reason: The first shot often misses, or fails to STOP the threat NOW (You don't care if the perp lives or dies, you just want the threat to STOP NOW), the one to the head was added when perps started to wear body armor - Heads are hard to hit (they move around a not), so you start with the body. If the second shot hasn't stopped the threat, the assumption becomes "He has body armor on", and you go for the harder target

What a lot of non shooters (and even many shooters) don't realize is that hitting your target, even with a fatal wound, dosn't always end the threat ASAP. Lets face, there are a lot of ways to get shot that will kill you 5 minutes from now. The perp can kill you before he dies - that's why I said that you don't shoot to kill, you shoot to STOP THE THREAT, which usually involves killing the person NOW. This is part of the reason you hear about cops shooting someone 41 times, and getting away with it (you know the case I'm thinging about). Let's say its 4 cops. All that has to happen is ONE of the 4 to panic/make a mistake, and fire ONE shot. What happens then is that the other three cops WILL start shooting (hearing that first shot), and they usually won't stop till their pistols have no more rounds! I was actually surprised that ONLY 41 shots were fired, it means that at least 2 of the cops STOPPED

Almost all surprize police shootings have at least the first round miss. It usually goes into the floor about 3 feet in front of the cop - he's so paniced that he is pulling the trigger before the pistol is even up - he clears the holster, and fires!

Originally posted by Nothing But Net
They are homicide bombings. Of innocent people, in general...

Can we drop the retarded lingo? Please?

Look, we need to distinguish them from other types of bombings. The fact is, most bombings are "homicide bombings" - they kill others. Wow. Look at that. The United States is homicide bombing in Afghanistan.

But when the bomber kills themself in the process, and on purpose, we call it a suicide bombing. See, because the bomber is committing suicide, and this is a distinguishing characteristic. If American pilots were just flying their jets into al Qaeda targets on the ground, they would be "suicide pilots", not "homicide pilots", because we would need to distinguish them - and most pilots that are flying missions over Afghanistan are already involved in homicide, or the death of other human beings.

To sum up: the whole "homicide bombing" lingo is one of the most ridiculous things to come out of the White House, it makes no sense to call suicide bombings "homicide bombings", and we can just drop it.

[Tobiasly]

Originally posted by Echidnaguy

"Double-tapped" is the standard police and military lingo for the proper way to use a pistol to take someone down, i.e. to fire twice in rapid succession before recoil become and issue.

While CharlieG gave a good description of "double-tap" and why it's used, it's now called a "controlled pair" by the military, due to bad P.R. with the original phrase. Much like "seek and destroy" is now a "movement to contact".

[Tobiasly]

Originally posted by dhamsaic

it would actually be

¿En inglés, por favor?

Actually I think the first half of Joe's post was supposed to be French.

[MaggieL]

Originally posted by Nic Name
Double tap? Why only two?

Because the Feds will only let you buy a ten round magazine. You can't get hung up on the first assailant; he may have brought friends with him, and it would be rude if you didn't bring enough to share with everybody.

Of course the Israeli feds don't seem to have that particular hang-up...

[Torrere]

Non. En Français, c'est "en anglais, s'il vous plaît?".

Thanks, Torrere! Always backin' me up... when I need back-up... and when you actually back me up... which was just this one time... ah, fuck it.

[CharlieG]

Originally posted by Tobiasly


While CharlieG gave a good description of "double-tap" and why it's used, it's now called a "controlled pair" by the military, due to bad P.R. with the original phrase. Much like "seek and destroy" is now a "movement to contact".

Don't you love it when the military gets PC? "Servicing Enemy Tanks" (aka shooting the darned thing)

Charlie
(Who not only believes in calling a spade a spade, but calling it a fucking shovel)

[Torrere]

Originally posted by dhamsaic
Thanks, Torrere!

Uhm, you're welcome =]

[russotto]

Originally posted by Nothing But Net
They are homicide bombings. Of innocent people, in general...

They're suicide bombings. Sometimes attempted suicide bombings. And also usually attempted homicide bombings. But the suicide part is the distinguishing factor, which is why trying to change the term to "homicide bombings" is wrong.

[russotto]

Originally posted by MaggieL

Because the Feds will only let you buy a ten round magazine. You can't get hung up on the first assailant; he may have brought friends with him, and it would be rude if you didn't bring enough to share with everybody.

That law expires reasonably soon. It'll probably get renewed, but if the NRA is on the ball, maybe not. Then you'll be able to go back to the double-tap to the chest and one to the head.

(though I've got some pre-ban 15-rounders anyway, that I bought just in case I decided to carry in the future)

[MaggieL]

Originally posted by russotto
(though I've got some pre-ban 15-rounders anyway, that I bought just in case I decided to carry in the future)

I've got two pre-ban 12-round mags; altough my *gun* is post-ban it was designed to accept Smith and Wesson magazines. 15 round mags are available too, but the gun would start getting a little unwieldy at that point.