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Old 08-02-2019, 09:35 PM   #1
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"This country is not the economy, stupid."

No, but the economy (its essential workings) is a damned good measure of liberty.

That is: does the bulk of my money go where I choose, or where technocrats tell me it should go? Can I choose how to attempt to make a buck, or am I regulated out of choice? Can I transact freely, or am I managed?

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"It's the people. And the people who are devoted to the ideals that inspire and sustain this country."

Yeah, which ideals? Right now, there's two distinctly opposite ideals grindin' up each other: a broad *libertarianism vs a broad **communitarianism. Both lay claim to bein' foundational and both can't be right.









*the individual is sovereign

**the community is sovereign
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Old 08-02-2019, 11:23 PM   #2
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Right now, there's two distinctly opposite ideals grindin' up each other: a broad *libertarianism vs a broad **communitarianism.
How curious that you ignore the only patriotic Americans. The moderates.
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Old 08-03-2019, 09:26 AM   #3
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How curious that you ignore the only patriotic Americans. The moderates.
[Bold mine.]

Not necessarily so: Everything in moderation, including moderates.

According to some, saying "Give me liberty or give me death" qualifies Patrick Henry as an extremist along with the rest of those who took up arms against the British Crown and pledged their lives, their fortune and their sacred honor for a shot at liberty and democracy.

So, one person's extremist can be another person's patriot in a diverse society. Moderates who think that theirs is the only way are unrealistic. Those intolerant of others with ideas that differ from their own, who believe their way is the only right way, are bigots which is truly unpatriotic.
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Old 08-03-2019, 10:03 AM   #4
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"The moderates."

Frankly: I don't think such creatures exist. You, for example, think of yourself as 'moderate', but you're not (no, you're just like 'me' ['cept you lie to yourself and sit on the wrong end of the spectrum]).
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