Hot takes on the Democratic frontrunners

Undertoad · 10-19-2019, 10:12 AM

I find the Hillary Clinton/Tulsi Gabbard bashup to be entertaining

Hillary has now seen fit to expand Russiagate to a Democratic political rival by saying she is a Russian asset.

On a podcast, instead of a journalistic interview, where there would be questions.

ZERO actual evidence presented!

This is a clumsy mistake in all ways. Suggesting Russiagate applies to a political rival makes it ~~seem like~~ more obvious that Russiagate is conspiracy theory.

Suggesting it about someone who's active military personnel and a Congresswoman who is vetted for national security is nuts.

The move only empowers Gabbard, whose numbers will surely rise.

Bill was always able to use his political power with aplomb. He could sense what was needed, and how things would play out. Hillary uses it like the proverbial bull in a china shop. She's never had his particular skill.

Tulsi may be the perfect candidate to run against Trump; being a beautiful younger woman AND shrewd and very smart, she would be a target that he cannot attack in the usual ways. It would queer his game theory; this is something he's never had to deal with on a public stage. It won't happen; Tulsi is an outlier, and people will be too suspicious of her to vote for her.

But it's entertaining.

Flint · 10-19-2019, 01:12 PM

I saw the Clinton news piece on Gabbard and was flabbergasted. I think the average reader hears Clinton saying this: "Everyone who doesn't support establishment Democrats is a Russian." That's stupid and clumsy. This is why people want HRC to shut up and go away-- she's poison.

However, on a literally unrelated note.... Considering everything we know about Russia's involvement in election meddling in 2016-- such as the bombshell game-changer that our intelligence agencies found Russians directly skewing local election infrastructure to play the electoral college like a piano-- I find it odd and distressing that anyone doesn't think saying, "Russiagate is conspiracy theory," couldn't be misinterpreted as meaning, "Russia didn't interfere in our elections."

These are true, non-conspiracy facts: Russia interfered in our election. Russia wanted Trump to win, and they succeeded. Trump asked Russia to damage his opponents, and they did. Russia is STILL interfering with our politics, our intelligence agencies GUARANTEE they will interfere in upcoming elections, and Trump is STILL asking foreign powers to interfere in our elections. Nobody actually disagrees with any of these component pieces. So what's the conspiracy?

10-19-2019, 01:12 PM	#2
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I saw the Clinton news piece on Gabbard and was flabbergasted. I think the average reader hears Clinton saying this: "Everyone who doesn't support establishment Democrats is a Russian." That's stupid and clumsy. This is why people want HRC to shut up and go away-- she's poison. However, on a literally unrelated note.... Considering everything we know about Russia's involvement in election meddling in 2016-- such as the bombshell game-changer that our intelligence agencies found Russians directly skewing local election infrastructure to play the electoral college like a piano-- I find it odd and distressing that anyone doesn't think saying, "Russiagate is conspiracy theory," couldn't be misinterpreted as meaning, "Russia didn't interfere in our elections." These are true, non-conspiracy facts: Russia interfered in our election. Russia wanted Trump to win, and they succeeded. Trump asked Russia to damage his opponents, and they did. Russia is STILL interfering with our politics, our intelligence agencies GUARANTEE they will interfere in upcoming elections, and Trump is STILL asking foreign powers to interfere in our elections. Nobody actually disagrees with any of these component pieces. So what's the conspiracy? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio** Last edited by Flint; 10-19-2019 at 01:20 PM.

10-19-2019, 10:12 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I find the Hillary Clinton/Tulsi Gabbard bashup to be entertaining Hillary has now seen fit to expand Russiagate to a Democratic political rival by saying she is a Russian asset. On a podcast, instead of a journalistic interview, where there would be questions. ZERO actual evidence presented! This is a clumsy mistake in all ways. Suggesting Russiagate applies to a political rival makes it ~~seem like~~ more obvious that Russiagate is conspiracy theory. Suggesting it about someone who's active military personnel and a Congresswoman who is vetted for national security is nuts. The move only empowers Gabbard, whose numbers will surely rise. Bill was always able to use his political power with aplomb. He could sense what was needed, and how things would play out. Hillary uses it like the proverbial bull in a china shop. She's never had his particular skill. Tulsi may be the perfect candidate to run against Trump; being a beautiful younger woman AND shrewd and very smart, she would be a target that he cannot attack in the usual ways. It would queer his game theory; this is something he's never had to deal with on a public stage. It won't happen; Tulsi is an outlier, and people will be too suspicious of her to vote for her. But it's entertaining.

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