Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

[Diaphone Jim]

The VA is recommending that veterans best response to Covid-19 is to get a flu shot.

[Luce]

Originally Posted by Diaphone Jim

The VA is recommending that veterans best response to Covid-19 is to get a flu shot.

Getting a flu shot is never a bad idea, but it is pretty much useless against the coronavirus.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Luce

Getting a flu shot is never a bad idea, but it is pretty much useless against the coronavirus.

Medicine must predict what flues will be active almost one year in advance. And then design a flu shot only for those particular viruses.

Current flu shot was not designed for this virus. Nobody knew it was coming until a (now dead) doctor in China discovered it. Flues typically do not spread this fast - are not this contagious. So a vaccine is not possible for about a year or maybe longer - despite lies from a president who is loved for constantly lying.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by tw

Quarantine does not solve the problem.

It's never been a choice between solving the problem in its entirety or doing nothing. Partial solutions like quarantine can have a huge impact on morbidity and mortality. There's no vaccine for coronavirus which is why we have to do everything we can to contain it.

Originally Posted by tw

Apparently people are contagious even before they have symptoms. ...

That's the way it is with the cold, flu and other viruses. That doesn't mean you do nothing to stop further transmission after the disease presents symptomatically; or, is identified through testing beforehand. People are also contagious for awhile after the disappearance of symptoms.

Originally Posted by Luce

How'd that work out in Japan?

Doesn't matter. When done properly, it works. Doing it improperly doesn't invalidate the procedure.

Originally Posted by Luce

Getting a flu shot is never a bad idea, but it is pretty much useless against the coronavirus.

It may improve the healthcare you receive for coronavirus. Flu prevention helps keep the Flu's burden on the healthcare system down in case the number of coronavirus patients goes up. That's why the Flu shot is being recommended.

[tw]

Intentionally misquoted to misrepresent the point:

Originally Posted by tw

Quarantine does not solve the problem.

What was posted:

Originally Posted by tw

Quarantine does not solve the problem. Apparently people are contagious even before they have symptoms.

The point ignored by a reply.

Experience aboard the Diamond Princess suggests that this virus can spread airborne. Not just from contact spewed from an infected person. But this is an even greater problem.

We don't know how it spreads. Or those facts are being withheld by a VP whose job is to spin things for political advantage.

Does not matter if people are contagious after symptoms are gone. Currently irrelevant. Required is to detect people BEFORE symptoms exist. That is a problem. Because only 200 test kits were available (and not being produced) when clear was a threat that required maybe a million or more.

First, one was tested for other flu viruses. And then retested; to wait another three days for results from Atlanta. Only 200 test kits were available. Meaning infected people remained undetected for up to a week. A week after they had be contagious maybe a previous week.

All this takes so long because a scumbag president even claimed this threat was "over blown". His exact words. He stifled actions to get ahead of the threat. His own words say so.

Facts that say why a quarantine cannot solve the problem. Especially if this virus survives well past summer - as some scientists have been asking (before Pence took over). Another point relevant to a sentence taken out of context.

Another question. Once one has recovered, is he immune from another infection? We need answers - not political lies. Apparently we "cannot handle the truth".

Originally Posted by sexobon

Flu prevention helps keep the Flu's burden on the healthcare system down in case the number of coronavirus patients goes up.

A valid point.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by tw

Intentionally misquoted to misrepresent the point:

Quotes are accurate.

Originally Posted by tw

What was posted:

A difference without a distinction.

Originally Posted by tw

Does not matter if people are contagious after symptoms are gone.

Illogical.

Originally Posted by tw

Facts that say why a quarantine cannot solve the problem.

Facts say quarantine can mitigate the problem (short term solution).

For problems such as this, there are often two solutions: a short term solution and a long term solution. The short term solution uses what is immediately available to make the best of a situation and reduce obstructive emotions (e.g. apprehension, fear, panic...etc.). The long tern solution is finding the definitive way to solve the problem.

But then I have the medical training, field and hospital experience, leadership training an experience to see the big picture. I can also separate medicine from politics.

I'm delighted to see that your opinions aren't prejudiced by any knowledge on the subject.

[tw]

Originally Posted by sexobon

Facts say quarantine can mitigate the problem (short term solution).

That is not the point of that quoted sentence. It was quoted to intentionally misrepresent the point. Limbaugh and Fox News do that often.

Previous post explains, but again, the point. You intentionally ignore the point, again.

Irrelevant that a quarantine is part of a solution. That clearly was not the point. And was intentionally ignored. Obviously, quarantines are too little too late when people, without any symptoms and who cannot be tested (due to no test kits and a three day delay), were contagious and spreading this virus for at least a week.

Nice if you addressed the point. And not post distortions that you have now posted twice. Curious. That is the behavior of a Trump supporter.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by tw

I know exactly what he’d tell you, lies. He was no different from any other dwellar in the Cellar, they were all extremists. I tried to run the thread properly, by the book, but they fought me at every turn. The other posters wanted to walk around with their emotions hanging out, that’s all right, let them. Take the low road, tit for tat, no more, no less. But they encouraged the others to go around scoffing at me, and spreading wild rumors about talking in circles and the old Mission Accomplished refrain. I was to blame for Undertoad's incompetence and poor judgement. Sexobon was the honest poster, but not TW. Ah, but the quotes, that’s, that’s where I had them, they laughed at me and made jokes, but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, and with geometric logic, that a duplicitous quote in the Coronavirus Thread did exist, and I’ve had reproduced that quote over a hundred times if they hadn’t pulled the soapbox out from under me. I, I know now they were only trying to protect their sanity. … Naturally, I can only cover these things from memory. If I left anything out, why, just ask me specific questions and I’ll be glad to answer them, one by one.