RIP Ronald Reagan

[lookout123]

Originally posted by Clodfobble
I shit you not, I once saw a screen subtitle on CNN that read "Bootylicious." They were doing a story about a recently uncovered sunken ship full of treasure.

LMAO - until you wrote this i thought i was the only person in the world who saw that!

[lookout123]

Originally posted by vsp

At least six out of the last seven Presidents have done their part in causing their office to be held in disrespect; probably seven, depending on how you feel about Jimmy Carter.

i guess that's kind of the point. all presidents will do something we think is disgraceful. and while these events shouldn't be ignored, i think the US had created a national passtime out of trashing our presidents, to the detriment of the people in other parts of the world view us. while you are in the time period of the event all problems seem exponentially more important than what they really are.

Harding(i think it was) did his assistant in a coat closet at the white house and got her pregnant. that was a long time ago and that won't even make it into most history books, and rightfully so. he was human, he failed.

Lincoln had failings, but he is more remembered for the good
kennedy screwed anything in a skirt but he is remembered well
insert any president's name in there and to varying degrees the same can be said.

the media and people at the time showed respect for the office, if not for the man behind the desk. and i think the nation was better served in that manner. since watergate the US has reveled in the mire of trashing our leadership, and i think it is time to stop. you don't have to like them, but i don't think showing a certain amount of respect is too much to ask.

whether i personally agree with what they support or not, i believe most pol's take their stands because they think it is the right course of action, rather than some deep dark desire to screw the world over. only a long view of history can accurately show whether they were right or not. anything less than 30-40 years is too soon to really grasp the long term effects of decisions in politics.

their failings should not cause us to pick up our pitchforks and go after them on a personal level. disagree, debate their politics, and by all means vote for someone else, but do so with some respect for the OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT.

in 50 years, kids in school will read about clinton/monica and say, so? what else happened during his presidency?

when looking at reagan they will see that he spent vast sums of money. only history will tell us if that really contributed to the demise of the soviet union.

they will look at Bush I and decide whether he was right to stop at the iraqi border or not.

when looking at GW they will see that he went into Iraq without UN support. only history will tell us how that plays out.

i just don't see why we have to personally attack these men with such disregard for basic human respect.

[Happy Monkey]

The personal attacks on GWB pale in comparison to the attacks on his policy. The reverse was true for Clinton.

[lookout123]

believe it or not i really am speaking in general terms here. i am not a big fan of any of the guys we've had recently.

[vsp]

Originally posted by OnyxCougar
I agree with you, vsp, but the one thing you didn't touch on is respect.

It's one thing for a person to say, "You know, I disagreed with alot of his policies, and I think overall, he was a bad president" and it is quite something to say the shit Radar said about spitting on his grave, and going to hell (which Radar doesn't believe in in the first place).

I'm not Radar, so I won't speak for him. If it were me, I'd wait at least a week out of respect for the family before urinating on Reagan's grave. At LEAST. A dump -- at least a MONTH. It's only right.

As far as I'm concerned, respect has to be earned. Being elected President doesn't confer respect in and of itself; it just means that the President and his PR team fooled more people than the other guy did. If a president is a buffoon, a pussyhound or a scoundrel, there's no reason to pretend that he's anything but that; the rest of the world can see that our emperor has no clothes, and will think we're idiots for pretending otherwise.

Originally posted by ladysycamore


Couldn't tell ya. I just come here, speak my peace, and then I'm out. I really don't recall a lot from here unless it's something really "hot" or Syc points something out to me and we talk about it. Other than that *shrugs* I just go on about to the business at hand with my support board, research and chat.

BTW, I read your story. My god..I thought I heard everything. Colorado sucks when it comes to the disabled. I was reading up on carbon monoxide poisoning too:

CO Headquarters: The Most Complete Website on Carbon Monoxide Toxicology in the World
http://www.coheadquarters.com/CO1.htm

Functional changes:
http://www.coheadquarters.com/coNeuropsych1.htm

Not that I didn't understand before (because I could relate to what you are going through on other level), but after reading that, I now have a better understanding of it.

I felt compelled to look up some information for you. I don't know if you've been trying to do the same, but here a link that I found that I hope that can be of some help:

Immune Web-CO support groups and info
http://immuneweb.org/classifieds/groups.html

I hope things start working out for the best for you.

Thank you very much. I can't tell you how much I appreciate the occasional word of kidness and understanding. Its been a long hard road. (And no, I'm not whining, just being matter of fact).

[richlevy]

Originally posted by ladysycamore

I have to say as I remember the Reagan years, I didn't particularly like the aspect of nuclear warheads pointed in our direction and waiting to see who would blink first, but he seemed like an ok guy, and I did like his speaking voice (probably fine tuned because of his acting days).

One thing I will give Reagan his props for was his aversion to nukes. Even though SDI was and is a pie-in-the-sky boondoggle, at least Reagan was thinking defense, not offense.

The Bush administration wants to reinitiate research into tactical nukes for 'bunker busting'. So we have re/development of a type of nuke most likely to be used first, by an administration which believes in 'preemptive warfare', run by a President who probably believes that, at worst, if he screws up and destroys the world, there will automatically be a place in heaven for himself and his loved ones. YIKES!

I think it took GWB to make me appreciate Reagan. If you have to be a conservative, at least do it right. (right, right-wing, get it?)

[Crimson Ghost]

Originally posted by lookout123
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Originally posted by Clodfobble
I shit you not, I once saw a screen subtitle on CNN that read "Bootylicious." They were doing a story about a recently uncovered sunken ship full of treasure.
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LMAO - until you wrote this i thought i was the only person in the world who saw that!

Yup - either rotten.com, bangedup.com, or gorgasm.com has the still. It is possible that the KKK has it as a screensaver....

[vsp]

Originally posted by richlevy
The Bush administration wants to reinitiate research into tactical nukes for 'bunker busting'. So we have re/development of a type of nuke most likely to be used first, by an administration which believes in 'preemptive warfare', run by a President who probably believes that, at worst, if he screws up and destroys the world, there will automatically be a place in heaven for himself and his loved ones. YIKES!

In a nutshell, we'll find out in five more months.

If Kerry wins, the above shouldn't be a major worry.

If Bush wins, start looking for another country with low population density and no attractive targets. New Zealand, perhaps.

(Scratch that -- if Kerry wins, I'm just as worried about what Bush may do in the lame-duck months.)

Bush already considers himself to be the equivalent of Moses. He beleives God has called him to lead the people of Iraq to freedom. There's a quote to that effect in the article I cited in the "Bush saved from alcohol by Jesus" thread. The man is stupid and a zealot on top of that. Others behind the scenes pull the puppet strings for reasons of their own. The American people brought it on themselves by collectively taking the "blue pill" and going to sleep. Good luck with your visa application for New Zealand.

[lumberjim]

Originally posted by Clodfobble
and it was also you who accused Radar of "spying" on posts under a different name

Jesus Christ guys, was I the only person who got the joke about Radar being Spivey? Do you REMEMBER Spivey's posts? It was a joke.

See, watch: "Sometimes Lumberjim logs on as Perry5 just to stir the shit some more..." See how that was humor, because they're obviously different people but on an ironic level there are similarities?

It's like every time Radar is involved in a thread the rest of you lose all sense of perspective.

thank you.


and don't think I didn't notice the comparison to one perrry5. you'll get yours, too, clodfobble.

[lookout123]

nice to see Fox and Chirac didn't stick around for the funeral.

[wolf]

I watched part of the services today, which were quite lovely.

But I did find myself wondering ... was rain in the forecast for today before the funeral was scheduled?

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by wolf
I watched part of the services today, which were quite lovely.

But I did find myself wondering ... was rain in the forecast for today before the funeral was scheduled?

Well, it was forecasted for here (In Phila.), and sometimes the forecast here is the same for MD/DC.

The services were indeed lovely and moving as well. The eulogies were delivered with such grace, especially Lady Margaret Thatcher.

I nearly had a major breakdown when an irish tenor sang, "Ava Maria"...for some reason, that song hits me right in a place where I just want to sit down and cry my eyes out! His voice was beautiful. *sniff*

[wolf]

Amazing Grace is the one that always gets me.

Particularly on bagpipes, which is the way it's usually done at cop and fire funerals.