Beijing--rainstorm - Page 2

xoxoxoBruce · 07-18-2004, 09:40 AM

No_TimE, you can state your views on anything. We can handle the truth.

The 2005 Audi A-6 Quatro will sell here for about 50k USD.
Of the slated production of 180k:
31% for Germany
15% for USA
25% for CHINA!
Somebodie's making money over there.

Trilby · 07-18-2004, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No_TimE

Well jaguar:
What i said is just my own word as a middle school student,some of my words may not very felicitous and I welcome all the well-meaning criticism.

OH my God! A middle school student! The AGONY...

07-19-2004, 12:41 AM

yeah Audi A6 and the most of the luxurious cars in China, the price of them is too much higher than abroad.And to be a car sellor or maker really have a considerable income.
50K USD is feckly to buy a Audi A4 3.0 cvt(homemade) or BMW 325i(homemade)
It's too expensive.

alamuhan · 07-19-2004, 03:21 AM

we disscused such "capitalism v communism" thing before, at cellar

shall we go on ?

07-19-2004, 03:51 AM

......i don't care about capitalism or socialism ,both have its advantage&disadvantage.So i'd like to change a topic......

ThreadHijackMan · 07-19-2004, 04:01 AM

I got here as quick as I could.

So.........................(struggling to come up with something that is not offensive)..............................................Do the Chinese restaurants there serve fortune cookies with the meals??

slang · 07-19-2004, 04:13 AM

Hey No_Time,

What is your favorite American food?? They let you eat American food, don't they??

My favorite Chinese food is....all of it.

Billy · 07-19-2004, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nothing But Net

How is someone 'rich' in a communist country? I thought everyone was the same.
Anyway, I want to ask the Chinese guys: If Taiwan declares independence, do you think there will be war? This matter is of great interest to me.

There are lots of rich peopel in China now.
I strongly support the war to drag TW back.

slang · 07-19-2004, 05:29 AM

Clarify please.

You support a war to bring TW back to full Chinese control?

You know infinitely more about the whole subject than I do. Could you explain your position?

This issue is of great interest to me too.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-19-2004, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alamuhan

we disscused such "capitalism v communism" thing before, at cellar

shall we go on ?

It seems China has both,...or neither. Hi Al.

Billy · 07-19-2004, 07:13 AM

In China mainlanders, Taiwan is one provience pf China for hundreds of years. Before Chen Shuibian, all Taiwanese want to "return and master mainland". I support the war because of the following reasons:

1. Taiwan has its culture roots in China mainland. The TW people feel lost their culture base and direction.

2. TW cannot lost China mainland market. If so, mainland government would close gate to TW productions. That would influence TE economy development.

3. US canot save TW. TW is just one jeton of entreating China. The US just use TW.

4. China cannot lose any part, inlcluding TW. The US want to block by Tibet, Sinkiang, South Korea, Japan, TW.

5. TW is one part of China. Chinese people cannot accept any any land abruption.

jaguar · 07-19-2004, 07:49 AM

The naval exercises in the area last week by the US were an interesting move, there is no way I can see either side letting it get to war, the stakes are too high.

Economically the war would be a disaster for everyone, Taiwan is a major manufacturing base for a sweet fuckload of electronics, those facilities being destroyed or taken offline for weeks or months would play havoc, not to mention the cost of a US/China war and what that could bring about.

The other factor is that China really only has a very limited 'blue water' naval capacity, this is changing but it's nowhere near a scale where it could match the US in a sea war, it's airforce is not there either.

In short, I don't doubt China's ability to turn Taiwan into dust I doubt it's ability to launch a full scale invasion and hold it against US forces, possibly including a US blockade after such an invasion. Taiwan itself also has a very and growing capable navy that could play havoc with the kind of merchant naval capability China would use in such an event, I know that China could afford to lose 20-30k troops at sea without real worry but their amphibious capability is not amazing and a lot dates back to the 60/70s. The requirement to use a merchant naval element to land enough troops would give at least 24hour notice to hostile intel services, long enough to bolster defenses, start moving in US forces, landing bombers and preparing anti-landing defenses.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-19-2004, 05:52 PM

Kerry won't do that, though.

07-19-2004, 06:36 PM

......

Billy · 07-19-2004, 06:41 PM

Many TW electronics remove their factories such as BenQ, Acer, VIA, into China mainland. So they don't hope war. No one like war, but we cannot let our land depart. We must try out best to protect our mother land.

Now the two sides all don't hope the war, but the war risk is on rocket. Hope we find other peaceful way to resolve it.

07-18-2004, 09:40 AM	#16
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	No_TimE, you can state your views on anything. We can handle the truth. The 2005 Audi A-6 Quatro will sell here for about 50k USD. Of the slated production of 180k: 31% for Germany 15% for USA 25% for CHINA! Somebodie's making money over there. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-19-2004, 03:51 AM	#20
No_TimE Guest Posts: n/a	......i don't care about capitalism or socialism ,both have its advantage&disadvantage.So i'd like to change a topic...... Last edited by No_TimE; 07-19-2004 at 03:54 AM.

07-19-2004, 07:49 AM	#27
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	The naval exercises in the area last week by the US were an interesting move, there is no way I can see either side letting it get to war, the stakes are too high. Economically the war would be a disaster for everyone, Taiwan is a major manufacturing base for a sweet fuckload of electronics, those facilities being destroyed or taken offline for weeks or months would play havoc, not to mention the cost of a US/China war and what that could bring about. The other factor is that China really only has a very limited 'blue water' naval capacity, this is changing but it's nowhere near a scale where it could match the US in a sea war, it's airforce is not there either. In short, I don't doubt China's ability to turn Taiwan into dust I doubt it's ability to launch a full scale invasion and hold it against US forces, possibly including a US blockade after such an invasion. Taiwan itself also has a very and growing capable navy that could play havoc with the kind of merchant naval capability China would use in such an event, I know that China could afford to lose 20-30k troops at sea without real worry but their amphibious capability is not amazing and a lot dates back to the 60/70s. The requirement to use a merchant naval element to land enough troops would give at least 24hour notice to hostile intel services, long enough to bolster defenses, start moving in US forces, landing bombers and preparing anti-landing defenses. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

07-19-2004, 05:52 PM	#28
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Kerry won't do that, though. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-19-2004, 12:41 AM	#18
No_TimE Guest Posts: n/a	yeah Audi A6 and the most of the luxurious cars in China, the price of them is too much higher than abroad.And to be a car sellor or maker really have a considerable income. 50K USD is feckly to buy a Audi A4 3.0 cvt(homemade) or BMW 325i(homemade) It's too expensive.

07-19-2004, 03:21 AM	#19
alamuhan Romantic Necromancer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CN Posts: 29	we disscused such "capitalism v communism" thing before, at cellar shall we go on ?

07-19-2004, 04:01 AM	#21
ThreadHijackMan Changing the flow Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 51	I got here as quick as I could. So.........................(struggling to come up with something that is not offensive)..............................................Do the Chinese restaurants there serve fortune cookies with the meals??

07-19-2004, 04:13 AM	#22
slang St Petersburg, Florida Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,423	Hey No_Time, What is your favorite American food?? They let you eat American food, don't they?? My favorite Chinese food is....all of it.

07-19-2004, 05:29 AM	#24
slang St Petersburg, Florida Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,423	Clarify please. You support a war to bring TW back to full Chinese control? You know infinitely more about the whole subject than I do. Could you explain your position? This issue is of great interest to me too.

07-19-2004, 07:13 AM	#26
Billy Professor Join Date: May 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 1,462	In China mainlanders, Taiwan is one provience pf China for hundreds of years. Before Chen Shuibian, all Taiwanese want to "return and master mainland". I support the war because of the following reasons: 1. Taiwan has its culture roots in China mainland. The TW people feel lost their culture base and direction. 2. TW cannot lost China mainland market. If so, mainland government would close gate to TW productions. That would influence TE economy development. 3. US canot save TW. TW is just one jeton of entreating China. The US just use TW. 4. China cannot lose any part, inlcluding TW. The US want to block by Tibet, Sinkiang, South Korea, Japan, TW. 5. TW is one part of China. Chinese people cannot accept any any land abruption.

07-19-2004, 06:41 PM	#30
Billy Professor Join Date: May 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 1,462	Many TW electronics remove their factories such as BenQ, Acer, VIA, into China mainland. So they don't hope war. No one like war, but we cannot let our land depart. We must try out best to protect our mother land. Now the two sides all don't hope the war, but the war risk is on rocket. Hope we find other peaceful way to resolve it.

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