PETA Recap/Summary

[garnet]

Originally Posted by wolf

I bet she puts on dark glasses and a hat and goes to Wendy's too.

I have left the PETA threads alone since the crash, as it was apparent my comments were not welcome. Why are you guys still trying to pick fights with me about this?

[DanaC]

Dont take it to heart Garnet. This is one of those subjects that tends to lead to heated conversations. The Palestinian issue is another which tends to end up heated likewise the subject of capital punishment. I dont know why this subject gets people all het up. perhaps because animals play such an important role in many people's lives, either in terms of their food ( and therefore their overall lifestyle) or their pets which they may feel protective of their right to own.
I found your arguments interesting. I dont necessarily agree with everything you say but it made for an interesting read anyway *smiles*

[Brigliadore]

Originally Posted by garnet

I have left the PETA threads alone since the crash, as it was apparent my comments were not welcome. Why are you guys still trying to pick fights with me about this?

I purposely didn't post to the PETA threads as well. Didn't notice this thread till today. Holy shit I missed a lot. So I wasn't going to push this since the threads had been lost but since the topic is once again open I am going to ask.

Garnet, you said you would post proof that PETA doesn't do all the bad things the sites claim and you said you would send proof of all the other good stuff they do. I am still interested in it if you would kindly post it.

Also you said you would PM me the names and phone numbers of some well known animal experts who I could contact to prove or disprove my opinion on Leopards killing for sport. Never got that PM from you so please send it to me.

[garnet]

Originally Posted by Brigliadore

Garnet, you said you would post proof that PETA doesn't do all the bad things the sites claim and you said you would send proof of all the other good stuff they do. I am still interested in it if you would kindly post it. .

To be perfectly honest, I am really sick of this subject and I'm sure everyone else is, too. It was pretty clear to me that NO ONE agreed with what I had to say. Why should we continue to re-hash it? It would be arguing for the sake of arguing, and I personally think that's pretty silly. I could post 500 links to good things that PETA has done, but it's not going to "convince" anyone who already hates them that they are OK.

Originally Posted by Brigliadore

Also you said you would PM me the names and phone numbers of some well known animal experts who I could contact to prove or disprove my opinion on Leopards killing for sport. Never got that PM from you so please send it to me.

I'm not going to PM you anything. I don't know who you are, and I am not giving you private phone numbers of my friends and colleagues. If that makes me a liar, then go forth and spew some more venom. I don't give a shit. In case you haven't noticed, I've got pretty thick skin.

[Brigliadore]

Wait a second. I politely ask you to please prove me wrong and suddenly your pulling an attitude with me. What the hell is that all about? Your certainly not going to change my mind about PETA if you don't give me any reason to change it. In the PETA thread I said in all seriousness that I was willing to look at any proof you had, that the things the websites claimed were false. I am willing to change my opinion of the organization but not because one person tells me to. I have seen first hand the bad side of PETA, so I asked you nicely to show me the good side. I haven't "spewed" any venom at you, I haven't called you any names, so I don't think I deserve the response you just gave me.

If you don't want to give me the names of some people who are experts on Leopards thats fine by me. Its no skin off my nose, I'll just continue to assume the nature programs are correct and go about my life.

Fine. You all think THIS is better? And this was done by the being with all the ethics, morality, intelligence, etc. Where is THAT animal's philosophical argument in this thread? SOMEONE needs to stand up for those with no voice. I never thought much about PETA one way or the other, but is THIS what the rest of you are in favor of?

[Cyber Wolf]

Don't mistake a general disagreement with the PETA's tactics or philosophies as the approval of what happened to that lion. It's not all one side or the other. I would personally like 10 minutes in an empty room with whoever did that(guaranteed they wouldn't come out in the same shape they went in once I'm done), but at the same time I don't feel at all guilty about eating meat, for example.

I know, Cyber (and Lookout). I guess I just got sort of ticked at how everyone's seemed down on Garnet. She seems as reasonable as anyone else around here, more than some - myself included.

[lookout123]

Originally Posted by marichiko

THIS what the rest of you are in favor of?

yes mari - i favor slaughtering beautiful animals for no reason. i think it is best if we kill them and don't use any of their parts for our betterment. i think taking a picture and posting it on the net is justification enough for killing them.



c'mon Mari - you know that isn't how anyone here really feels. there is a huge difference between killing an animal for cruel pleasure and killing an animal for food. i don't think you will find any cellarite (even the most carniverous) who finds this abhorrent behavior acceptable.

[garnet]

Originally Posted by Brigliadore

If you don't want to give me the names of some people who are experts on Leopards thats fine by me. Its no skin off my nose, I'll just continue to assume the nature programs are correct and go about my life.

You go do that. I just think it's entertaining that your entire "education" on this subject comes from watching TV--you know, those intellectual "nature programs" that you are so fond of (and you never did name which particular "nature program" you found to be such a wealth of indisputable information). You requested some "enlightenment" from me on this subject--may I suggest you TURN OFF THE TV for 5 minutes and pick up a book, take a class, or go to the library? You should really try it sometime.

[Brigliadore]

Originally Posted by garnet

You go do that. I just think it's entertaining that your entire "education" on this subject comes from watching TV--you know, those intellectual "nature programs" that you are so fond of (and you never did name which particular "nature program" you found to be such a wealth of indisputable information). You requested some "enlightenment" from me on this subject--may I suggest you TURN OFF THE TV for 5 minutes and pick up a book, take a class, or go to the library? You should really try it sometime.

Was that nasty a post really necessary? If I recall (but of course the post isn't there any more to prove this) I did list specific programs, Nova, National Geographic, a big cats program on Animal Planet, plus several magazine articles and a few other programs. When one program or magazine says it I take it with a grain of salt but when several mention it I tend to think they aren't blowing smoke up my ass. I do "Turn off the TV", in fact its off quite a bit. I frequent the library at least once a week, I do take classes, and I subscribe to magazines like Smithsonian and National Geographic. I have taken a number of classes on Animal Science and the like in both High School and College. As well as being a volunteer at the LA Zoo for a few years in High school (which is where I initially learned about the Leopard thing by the way). Before you post nasty things back to people don't assume you know anything about their life. Reading a few posts I made doesn't make you an expert on my life.

[garnet]

Originally Posted by Brigliadore

Was that nasty a post really necessary?

You chose to reopen this discussion, after already knowing what a bitch I am. I suspect you were looking for a fight to start with, or you wouldn't have reopened this thread. Sorry, that's what you get for pushing the issue

Originally Posted by Brigliadore

As well as being a volunteer at the LA Zoo for a few years in High school (which is where I initially learned about the Leopard thing by the way).

Hey, this is the first I've heard of the whole zoo experience. You stated already that you got your information on leopards from "nature programs":

Originally Posted by brigliadore

If you don't want to give me the names of some people who are experts on Leopards thats fine by me. Its no skin off my nose, I'll just continue to assume the nature programs are correct and go about my life.

You wouldn't be contradicting yourself, would you?

Originally Posted by Brigliadore

Before you post nasty things back to people don't assume you know anything about their life. Reading a few posts I made doesn't make you an expert on my life.

What else am I supposed to go on, other than your posts? Like I said before, I don't know who you are, and I don't care. And by the way, "you're welcome" for all the links that I posted for you...