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flippant · 10-08-2004, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by flippant

Going off glatts liberal defined....Is there a way to be an anarchist and not liberal? Wouldn't you Have to vote both? Is being liberal (in a way) anarchy?

Yeah I looked up the definition for anarchist.......the definitions seem more complimentary than opposite.....haha

Haven · 10-08-2004, 05:58 PM

Due to the cynical humanist category not being included, I opted for the anarchist libertarian fascist option. I hate government as it is practiced

, I believe in the supreme right of the individual to govern himself

and I think idiots and assholes should be shot into space or sent to an island with an electrified beach

, so I guess that makes me a little bit of an extremist.

Anyway, as for the misspelling of anarchist, you were fine, but I'm not too sure you nailed the spelling of flavour.

Anyone else out there feel like there should be an option for people who hate people?

DanaC · 10-08-2004, 06:29 PM

I want Bush to win the next election

xoxoxoBruce · 10-08-2004, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

I want Bush to win the next election

You're just fucking with us, now.

DanaC · 10-08-2004, 07:22 PM

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You're just fucking with us, now.

No.....No...I really do want Bush to win the next election. This in no way lessens my hatred and utter contempt for the man and all he stands for, but ....... yes, I want Bush to win the election

Happy Monkey · 10-08-2004, 07:23 PM

So you're one of the people who hates people?

Trilby · 10-08-2004, 07:40 PM

DanaC--you got some 'splainin' to do!

DanaC · 10-08-2004, 07:41 PM

No. I think if kerry gets in he will try and continue the occupation because the situation is now too entrenched to be able to walk away from it in the short term. If Kerry presides over a war which becomes more and more entrenched, possibly with what looks like it could be an economic mess in the making running alongside that, there's a risk he'll be the last democratic president for a good few years.

If Bush wins the next election and continues to rampage around the world getting his soldiers killed for no good reason whilst presiding over an administration which has effectively divorced some 44 million Americans from the healthcare system .......there's a possibility he'll be the last republican president for a few years.

busterb · 10-08-2004, 07:43 PM

Big tax break? HUh

DanaC · 10-08-2004, 07:43 PM

.......On second thoughts, I dont want him to win. I just want him to cease breathing as soon as possible.

10-08-2004, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

.......On second thoughts, I dont want him to win. I just want him to cease breathing as soon as possible.

In our dreams, girl! In our dreams! By the way, feel free to vote in the poll. I am curious about the political composition of the CELLAR, the US I could just look up the statistics on. So International members please vote the flavour of your Union Jack or Jolly Rodger or whatever other flag you may go by. (I knew that I'd spelled SOMETHING wrong - just couldn't put my finger on it)

wolf · 10-09-2004, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

I want Bush to win the next election

Wait. I know where this is coming from ...

DanaC · 10-09-2004, 06:02 AM

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So International members please vote the flavour of your Union Jack or Jolly Rodger or whatever other flag you may go by.

I'll take a Red Flag and vote socialist.....*breaks into a rousing rendition of the Red Flag *

".........Ooooohhhhhhh....we'll keep the red flag flying here!!!!!!!!"

Mmmm. I remember singng that at the Socialist and anarchist shindig down at Skegness when I was 19, was very moving. Even more moving was singing the Internacionale. The disco had suddenly ground to a halt because of a power cut so some bright sparks stood up and lit their lighters or matches and began to sing the Internacionale. We all stood and joined in, not just the people who'd been on or near the dancefloor. Everyone, about 300 people if memory serves, raised their fist and saluted as they sang......Funny how this stuff sticks in your mind. It was simple and heartfelt and many of us were young enough not to have lost the dream yet.

Interestingly there is a great deal of variance in the translations of the Internationale ( which has been translated into 40 languages I believe) Here's the English version for anyone who might be interested.

The Internationale

British version

Arise ye workers from your slumbers
Arise ye prisoners of want
For reason in revolt now thunders
And at last ends the age of cant.
Away with all your superstitions
Servile masses arise, arise
We'll change henceforth the old tradition
And spurn the dust to win the prize.

So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale
unites the human race!

No more deluded by reaction
On tyrants only we'll make war
The soldiers too will take strike action
They'll break ranks and fight no more
And if those cannibals keep trying
To sacrifice us to their pride
They soon shall hear the bullets flying
We'll shoot the generals on our own side.

So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale
unites the human race!

No saviour from on high delivers
No faith have we in prince or peer
Our own right hand the chains must shiver
Chains of hatred, greed and fear
E'er the thieves will out with their booty
And give to all a happier lot.
Each at the forge must do their duty
And we'll strike while the iron is hot!

So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale
unites the human race!

Stirring stuff in a dark hall in Skegness. ....Um sorry and all for this little diversion from the topic at hand....but since I've gone this far might as well also give you the American lyrics.

The Internationale

USA-version

Arise, you prisoners of starvation!
Arise, you wretched of the earth!
For justice thunders condemnation:
A better world's in birth!
No more tradition's chains shall bind us,
Arise, you slaves, no more in thrall!
The earth shall rise on new foundations:
We have been naught, we shall be all!

'Tis the final conflict;
Let each stand in their place!
The international working class
Shall be the human race.

We want no condescending saviors
To rule us from their judgment hall,
We workers ask not for their favors
Let us consult for all:
To make the thief disgorge his booty,
To free the spirit from its cell,
We must ourselves decide our duty,
We must decide and do it well.

'Tis the final conflict;
Let each stand in their place!
The international working class
Shall be the human race.

I was surprised to find just how completely different all the versions are. The translation from Russian seems to show each nation's main preoccupations within the class struggle.

Undertoad · 10-09-2004, 08:55 AM

Mari, for YOU to wish breathing problems on anyone is such remarkably bad form. Grow up a little.

Saddam Hussein · 10-09-2004, 09:08 AM

Hello infidels,

I voted liberal but was looking for "dictator". Same thing, right?

Anyone seem my pants?

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10-08-2004, 05:58 PM	#17
Haven Stubbing the cigar of truth into the ashtray of your mind Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3	Bees are on the what now? Due to the cynical humanist category not being included, I opted for the anarchist libertarian fascist option. I hate government as it is practiced , I believe in the supreme right of the individual to govern himself and I think idiots and assholes should be shot into space or sent to an island with an electrified beach , so I guess that makes me a little bit of an extremist. Anyway, as for the misspelling of anarchist, you were fine, but I'm not too sure you nailed the spelling of flavour. Anyone else out there feel like there should be an option for people who hate people?

10-08-2004, 07:23 PM	#21
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	So you're one of the people who hates people? __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

10-08-2004, 07:40 PM	#22
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	DanaC--you got some 'splainin' to do! __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

10-08-2004, 07:43 PM	#24
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Big tax break? HUh __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

10-08-2004, 06:29 PM	#18
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I want Bush to win the next election

10-08-2004, 07:41 PM	#23
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	No. I think if kerry gets in he will try and continue the occupation because the situation is now too entrenched to be able to walk away from it in the short term. If Kerry presides over a war which becomes more and more entrenched, possibly with what looks like it could be an economic mess in the making running alongside that, there's a risk he'll be the last democratic president for a good few years. If Bush wins the next election and continues to rampage around the world getting his soldiers killed for no good reason whilst presiding over an administration which has effectively divorced some 44 million Americans from the healthcare system .......there's a possibility he'll be the last republican president for a few years.

10-09-2004, 08:55 AM	#29
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Mari, for YOU to wish breathing problems on anyone is such remarkably bad form. Grow up a little.

10-09-2004, 09:08 AM	#30
Saddam Hussein The CIA faked my death Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: with OBL in the White House basement Posts: 61	Hello infidels, I voted liberal but was looking for "dictator". Same thing, right? Anyone seem my pants?

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