Now that Georgie has lost the Election...

[wolf]

Has everybody vented their drama yet?

I suppose that all of you thought that if Kerry won that Osama would have sent another video tape offering peace and friendship throughout the world, the sky would be bluer than blue (in honor of the democratic victory) and everybody would find a nice, shiny, new hybrid card in the driveway as a thank you gift for being such a good electorate.

It's the presidency. We do this every four years. The people chose. It's over. The country has survived this for the last 228 years. With the exception of a little uprising that got surprised in the mid-19th century, we've been revolution free, unlike MOST OF THE OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD.

Let it go, and get on with your lives.

Thank you.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally Posted by wolf

Has everybody vented their drama yet?

I suppose that all of you thought that if Kerry won that Osama would have sent another video tape offering peace and friendship throughout the world, the sky would be bluer than blue (in honor of the democratic victory) and everybody would find a nice, shiny, new hybrid card in the driveway as a thank you gift for being such a good electorate.

It's the presidency. We do this every four years. The people chose. It's over. The country has survived this for the last 228 years. With the exception of a little uprising that got surprised in the mid-19th century, we've been revolution free, unlike MOST OF THE OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD.

Let it go, and get on with your lives.

Thank you.

I'm having fun actually. I'm waiting for ticket numbers and departure times.

Originally Posted by wolf

Has everybody vented their drama yet?

Not quite.

Originally Posted by wolf

Let it go, and get on with your lives.

Thank you.

Easy for you to say. You're new tagline says it all. "My guy won." Well, your guy winning will make it just that much more difficult for me to get on with my life, and I'm not alone. There are many, many more Americans like me - decent people who just are down on their luck, and the Bush/Republican domestic policy is to merely discard us. I hope you're prepared to be personally accountable for the outcomes of the next 4 years since "your guy won."

[Dagney]

Originally Posted by marichiko

Not quite.
Easy for you to say. You're new tagline says it all. "My guy won." Well, your guy winning will make it just that much more difficult for me to get on with my life, and I'm not alone. There are many, many more Americans like me - decent people who just are down on their luck, and the Bush/Republican domestic policy is to merely discard us. I hope you're prepared to be personally accountable for the outcomes of the next 4 years since "your guy won."

I just have one thought on this whole situation....

Democrats have generally been supporters of more Social Programs...the funding of which comes from where....let's see...more tax dollars, which in turn reduces my pay check. Republicans have generally be supporters of fewer Social Programs, preferring that people do what they can to support themselves...which in turn...keeps the money I earn, in MY pocket. Now, I'm not questioning why you may or may not be working. I'm also not saying that it may or may not be a valid reason to be relying on social programs.

But personally, I don't think the Republican Domestic policy is to discard people - in turn, it's a movement to get people to be more personally responsible for their own lives, health and welfare - rather than relying on the Government to support them, pay their bills, give them goodies.

You have bootstraps....tug on them, you may be suprised where you get.

And before you jump on my back....I'm a single, white woman, living on my own, making a minimal salary, with my own health issues and not taking a single blessed dime from the Government. And damn proud of it.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Dagney

Democrats have generally been supporters of more Social Programs...the funding of which comes from where....let's see...more tax dollars, which in turn reduces my pay check. Republicans have generally be supporters of fewer Social Programs, preferring that people do what they can to support themselves...

And yet, the red states are the ones that get most of the tax dollars, from the blue states. It would be a bit of justice if we told the red states to go and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.

You have bootstraps....tug on them, you may be suprised where you get.

Of course, that idiom is used to refer to people with remarkable skill or luck, since taken literally it is impossible. Most people who tug on their shoes will squish their toes, not float into the air.

Originally Posted by Dagney

I just have one thought on this whole situation....

Democrats have generally been supporters of more Social Programs...the funding of which comes from where....let's see...more tax dollars, which in turn reduces my pay check. Republicans have generally be supporters of fewer Social Programs, preferring that people do what they can to support themselves...which in turn...keeps the money I earn, in MY pocket.

OK, I tried kissing and making up down in the philosophy forum, and no one seems ready for that. FINE!

If you are so worried about your damn pocket book then why aren't you whining about hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars, not to mention lives thrown away in a stupid war to no end. That's where your tax dollars are going NOT to a few very inadequately funded social programs that cost in the mere hundreds of millions. We are talking about social irresponsibility here, NOT fiscal responsibility, but you conservatives are too bone-headed to get it.

Originally Posted by Dagney

Now, I'm not questioning why you may or may not be working. I'm also not saying that it may or may not be a valid reason to be relying on social programs.

But personally, I don't think the Republican Domestic policy is to discard people - in turn, it's a movement to get people to be more personally responsible for their own lives, health and welfare - rather than relying on the Government to support them, pay their bills, give them goodies.

You have bootstraps....tug on them, you may be suprised where you get.

And before you jump on my back....I'm a single, white woman, living on my own, making a minimal salary, with my own health issues and not taking a single blessed dime from the Government. And damn proud of it.

You can take your pride and stick it where the sun don't shine, honey. That's what I've had to do with mine. I'm a single white woman who fought like a tiger to get back on her feet, and what I got in return was bullshit. When I needed a hand, the Republican backed system refused to give me anything back that I paid into it for a good 25 years.. F--K them and their whiney "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" BS. I came from a working class family. My father was an NCO in the military. I still managed to get two graduate degrees and make a better life for myself until something beyond my control happened to me. So what's wrong with YOU? You are whining to the wrong person about bootstraps and minmum wage. Go back to school and shut up.

[Dagney]

Originally Posted by marichiko

OK, I tried kissing and making up down in the philosophy forum, and no one seems ready for that. FINE! I still managed to get two graduate degrees and make a better life for myself until something beyond my control happened to me. So what's wrong with YOU? You are whining to the wrong person about bootstraps and minmum wage. Go back to school and shut up.

First off, I don't recall whining. That's more your territory...you seem to have a knack for it. I do what needs to be done, I don't sit around and wish someone else will do it for me.

I have two Bachelor's degree, a Master's degree, and have probably forgotten more about some things than you'll ever hope to learn.

I'm still not sitting there with my hand out waiting for the state to Pay my Rent.

I have a job. It may not pay much, but it pays. I'm not even going to waste my time with this. I was making a civil statement that did not attack you in ANY way, and you start slinging shit.

Try upping your dose of Paxil babe..you need it.

Originally Posted by Dagney

First off, I don't recall whining. That's more your territory...you seem to have a knack for it. I do what needs to be done, I don't sit around and wish someone else will do it for me.

I have two Bachelor's degree, a Master's degree, and have probably forgotten more about some things than you'll ever hope to learn.

I'm still not sitting there with my hand out waiting for the state to Pay my Rent.

I have a job. It may not pay much, but it pays. I'm not even going to waste my time with this. I was making a civil statement that did not attack you in ANY way, and you start slinging shit.

Try upping your dose of Paxil babe..you need it.

You know what, Dagney? I apologize. I have been terribly upset by the outcome of this election and I lost it. While I don't agree with you politically, this doesn't mean I have to get nasty about it. I'm sorry.

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by marichiko

Easy for you to say.

Look at the bright side: now you have someone to blame. Someone for whom responsibility for your situation can be continuously assigned.

[vsp]

Originally Posted by Beestie

Look at the bright side: now you have someone to blame. Someone for whom responsibility for your situation can be continuously assigned.

To what effect?

If the Republican Party and Bush administration can do what they've done over the past four years and not only win but win across the board, they have no reason to care what those outside their voter base think.

The next opportunity for rank-and-file citizens to express their discontent in any meaningful way is two years away, the midterm Congressional elections. In between then and now, the administration can do whatever damage they want, and force-feed as many theocrats into judicial appointments as possible. If the Democrats can find a way to stem the "moral values" tide between now and then in any measurable capacity, I'll be quite surprised.

Originally Posted by Beestie

Look at the bright side: now you have someone to blame. Someone for whom responsibility for your situation can be continuously assigned.

You bet. So if I see a situation that I percieve as being wrong, I'm supposed to shut up about it, and take it on the chin like a girl. Otherwise I'm playing the role of victim. That way you can do as you please without being accountable. Nice try.

[OnyxCougar]

Originally Posted by wolf

Has everybody vented their drama yet?

I haven't even started.

I suppose that all of you thought that if Kerry won that Osama would have sent another video tape offering peace and friendship throughout the world, the sky would be bluer than blue (in honor of the democratic victory) and everybody would find a nice, shiny, new hybrid card in the driveway as a thank you gift for being such a good electorate.

Hardly. I just hoped for something different than we've had. Maybe some progress.

It's the presidency. We do this every four years. The people chose. It's over. The country has survived this for the last 228 years. With the exception of a little uprising that got surprised in the mid-19th century, we've been revolution free, unlike MOST OF THE OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD.

I think it's interesting you consider the civil war a "little uprising".

Let it go, and get on with your lives.

Thank you.

I completely and fully plan on it. You're welcome.

[Cyber Wolf]

Originally Posted by wolf

Has everybody vented their drama yet?

I suppose that all of you thought that if Kerry won that Osama would have sent another video tape offering peace and friendship throughout the world, the sky would be bluer than blue (in honor of the democratic victory) and everybody would find a nice, shiny, new hybrid card in the driveway as a thank you gift for being such a good electorate.

It's the presidency. We do this every four years. The people chose. It's over. The country has survived this for the last 228 years. With the exception of a little uprising that got surprised in the mid-19th century, we've been revolution free, unlike MOST OF THE OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD.

Let it go, and get on with your lives.

Thank you.

If you voted for Bush, then your guy won. So of course you don't feel a need to 'vent drama'. But you're right. This happens every four years. All this means is that we are DEFINITELY going to be able to get rid of Bush. So all we have to worry about is Bush and Co. trying so pull some crap about allowing him a third term when he finds his War on Terror isn't quite over in 2008.

[vsp]

Originally Posted by wolf

Has everybody vented their drama yet?

Let it go, and get on with your lives.

Nope. I've got about four more years of drama left, or at least as long as it'll be legal to vent it.

My primary political party is now marginalized to a point that won't be recoverable for decades, if ever. There is no reason for the Republicans to even pretend to work towards bipartisanism; the likes of DeLay will use this mandate as a bludgeon to do what they want, how they want, when they want, with Senatorial filibusters remaining the Democrats' last-ditch and rarely-used method of delaying the inevitable. Not preventing; delaying.

More wars. More dead bodies. More tax cuts. Higher deficits. More faith-based programs and rhetoric. More redistricting follies. More input from the religious right. More frontal assaults on social and economic programs. More ultraconservative judges on the Supreme Court. More Ashcroft. More pressure on the remaining Democrats to cave in and simply give the Republicans everything they want.

THAT'S what yesterday's election endorsed; it was anything but a simple choice of one leader versus another. The Democratic Party wasn't defeated, it was fucking slaughtered across the board, apart from the mercy killing of Alan Keyes. The Democrats had been reduced to a whimper _before_ this last stand, and the evangelicals came out to ensure that not only would it stay that way, but that the country'd be FURTHER tilted in the God, Guns and Anti-Gay direction.

The Religious Right is at the controls in ways they never managed even during the Reagan administration. The Constitution Restoration Act (which would remove the Supreme and federal courts' jurisdiction over any Establishment Clause issues)? It's coming. We barely dodged it the last time. There is an absolutely _desperate_ need for the remaining Democrats to block as many judicial appointments as possible now, and it's simply (IMHO) not going to happen.

So yeah, I _am_ fucking angry and nervous and scared and needing to vent. The two-party political system I've grown up knowing is over now; now it's a 900-pound gorilla dictating terms to its token opposition and to the world at large. If you're seriously suggesting that I should "get over it" before the corpse is even cold, you can go screw yourself.