Now that Georgie has lost the Election...

Originally Posted by wolf

Has everybody vented their drama yet?

Not quite.

Originally Posted by wolf

Let it go, and get on with your lives.

Thank you.

Easy for you to say. You're new tagline says it all. "My guy won." Well, your guy winning will make it just that much more difficult for me to get on with my life, and I'm not alone. There are many, many more Americans like me - decent people who just are down on their luck, and the Bush/Republican domestic policy is to merely discard us. I hope you're prepared to be personally accountable for the outcomes of the next 4 years since "your guy won."

[Dagney]

Originally Posted by marichiko

Not quite.
Easy for you to say. You're new tagline says it all. "My guy won." Well, your guy winning will make it just that much more difficult for me to get on with my life, and I'm not alone. There are many, many more Americans like me - decent people who just are down on their luck, and the Bush/Republican domestic policy is to merely discard us. I hope you're prepared to be personally accountable for the outcomes of the next 4 years since "your guy won."

I just have one thought on this whole situation....

Democrats have generally been supporters of more Social Programs...the funding of which comes from where....let's see...more tax dollars, which in turn reduces my pay check. Republicans have generally be supporters of fewer Social Programs, preferring that people do what they can to support themselves...which in turn...keeps the money I earn, in MY pocket. Now, I'm not questioning why you may or may not be working. I'm also not saying that it may or may not be a valid reason to be relying on social programs.

But personally, I don't think the Republican Domestic policy is to discard people - in turn, it's a movement to get people to be more personally responsible for their own lives, health and welfare - rather than relying on the Government to support them, pay their bills, give them goodies.

You have bootstraps....tug on them, you may be suprised where you get.

And before you jump on my back....I'm a single, white woman, living on my own, making a minimal salary, with my own health issues and not taking a single blessed dime from the Government. And damn proud of it.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Dagney

Democrats have generally been supporters of more Social Programs...the funding of which comes from where....let's see...more tax dollars, which in turn reduces my pay check. Republicans have generally be supporters of fewer Social Programs, preferring that people do what they can to support themselves...

And yet, the red states are the ones that get most of the tax dollars, from the blue states. It would be a bit of justice if we told the red states to go and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.

You have bootstraps....tug on them, you may be suprised where you get.

Of course, that idiom is used to refer to people with remarkable skill or luck, since taken literally it is impossible. Most people who tug on their shoes will squish their toes, not float into the air.

Originally Posted by Dagney

I just have one thought on this whole situation....

Democrats have generally been supporters of more Social Programs...the funding of which comes from where....let's see...more tax dollars, which in turn reduces my pay check. Republicans have generally be supporters of fewer Social Programs, preferring that people do what they can to support themselves...which in turn...keeps the money I earn, in MY pocket.

OK, I tried kissing and making up down in the philosophy forum, and no one seems ready for that. FINE!

If you are so worried about your damn pocket book then why aren't you whining about hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars, not to mention lives thrown away in a stupid war to no end. That's where your tax dollars are going NOT to a few very inadequately funded social programs that cost in the mere hundreds of millions. We are talking about social irresponsibility here, NOT fiscal responsibility, but you conservatives are too bone-headed to get it.

Originally Posted by Dagney

Now, I'm not questioning why you may or may not be working. I'm also not saying that it may or may not be a valid reason to be relying on social programs.

But personally, I don't think the Republican Domestic policy is to discard people - in turn, it's a movement to get people to be more personally responsible for their own lives, health and welfare - rather than relying on the Government to support them, pay their bills, give them goodies.

You have bootstraps....tug on them, you may be suprised where you get.

And before you jump on my back....I'm a single, white woman, living on my own, making a minimal salary, with my own health issues and not taking a single blessed dime from the Government. And damn proud of it.

You can take your pride and stick it where the sun don't shine, honey. That's what I've had to do with mine. I'm a single white woman who fought like a tiger to get back on her feet, and what I got in return was bullshit. When I needed a hand, the Republican backed system refused to give me anything back that I paid into it for a good 25 years.. F--K them and their whiney "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" BS. I came from a working class family. My father was an NCO in the military. I still managed to get two graduate degrees and make a better life for myself until something beyond my control happened to me. So what's wrong with YOU? You are whining to the wrong person about bootstraps and minmum wage. Go back to school and shut up.

[Dagney]

Originally Posted by marichiko

OK, I tried kissing and making up down in the philosophy forum, and no one seems ready for that. FINE! I still managed to get two graduate degrees and make a better life for myself until something beyond my control happened to me. So what's wrong with YOU? You are whining to the wrong person about bootstraps and minmum wage. Go back to school and shut up.

First off, I don't recall whining. That's more your territory...you seem to have a knack for it. I do what needs to be done, I don't sit around and wish someone else will do it for me.

I have two Bachelor's degree, a Master's degree, and have probably forgotten more about some things than you'll ever hope to learn.

I'm still not sitting there with my hand out waiting for the state to Pay my Rent.

I have a job. It may not pay much, but it pays. I'm not even going to waste my time with this. I was making a civil statement that did not attack you in ANY way, and you start slinging shit.

Try upping your dose of Paxil babe..you need it.

Originally Posted by Dagney

First off, I don't recall whining. That's more your territory...you seem to have a knack for it. I do what needs to be done, I don't sit around and wish someone else will do it for me.

I have two Bachelor's degree, a Master's degree, and have probably forgotten more about some things than you'll ever hope to learn.

I'm still not sitting there with my hand out waiting for the state to Pay my Rent.

I have a job. It may not pay much, but it pays. I'm not even going to waste my time with this. I was making a civil statement that did not attack you in ANY way, and you start slinging shit.

Try upping your dose of Paxil babe..you need it.

You know what, Dagney? I apologize. I have been terribly upset by the outcome of this election and I lost it. While I don't agree with you politically, this doesn't mean I have to get nasty about it. I'm sorry.

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by marichiko

Easy for you to say.

Look at the bright side: now you have someone to blame. Someone for whom responsibility for your situation can be continuously assigned.

[vsp]

Originally Posted by Beestie

Look at the bright side: now you have someone to blame. Someone for whom responsibility for your situation can be continuously assigned.

To what effect?

If the Republican Party and Bush administration can do what they've done over the past four years and not only win but win across the board, they have no reason to care what those outside their voter base think.

The next opportunity for rank-and-file citizens to express their discontent in any meaningful way is two years away, the midterm Congressional elections. In between then and now, the administration can do whatever damage they want, and force-feed as many theocrats into judicial appointments as possible. If the Democrats can find a way to stem the "moral values" tide between now and then in any measurable capacity, I'll be quite surprised.

Originally Posted by Beestie

Look at the bright side: now you have someone to blame. Someone for whom responsibility for your situation can be continuously assigned.

You bet. So if I see a situation that I percieve as being wrong, I'm supposed to shut up about it, and take it on the chin like a girl. Otherwise I'm playing the role of victim. That way you can do as you please without being accountable. Nice try.