11/3/2004: Eagle helicopter

Undertoad · 11-03-2004, 11:52 AM

busterb sends along this set, which apparently is an Mi-24 flying in Afghanistan these days. He says the images have been going around, but I haven't seen 'em yet, so maybe you haven't either. Very nice!

JR365 · 11-03-2004, 01:06 PM

I doubt there would be any operating hinds left in afghanistan, let alone one as spiffy as this one. I'm sure our boys wouldnt be flying in an old communist bloc aircraft anyways. By the looks of the insignia on the tail, i would guess eastern european. By the looks of the terrain and buildings, i would guess somewhere far from afghanistan.

Either way, cool pics.

busterb · 11-03-2004, 02:42 PM

Spot on JR365.Here

Cyber Wolf · 11-03-2004, 03:11 PM

Quite a nice paintjob. Good to see my tax dollars are making sure the weapons they use to protect ME way over here look damn good in the process. Though, I think it resembles a falcon or kite more than it does an eagle. Or maybe it could be the golden eagle but it's certainly not a bald eagle...unless you count the 'bald' part as where the cockpit is. Hmm...now I want painted wolf fur on my car.

Undertoad · 11-03-2004, 04:00 PM

Hungarian tax dollars.

Uryoces · 11-03-2004, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyber Wolf

Quite a nice paintjob. Good to see my tax dollars are making sure the weapons they use to protect ME way over here look damn good in the process. Though, I think it resembles a falcon or kite more than it does an eagle. Or maybe it could be the golden eagle but it's certainly not a bald eagle...unless you count the 'bald' part as where the cockpit is. Hmm...now I want painted wolf fur on my car.

The $600 Allen wrenches would bug me more than the $200 of paint. By the way, the US operates the largest collection of Hinds, even taking into account Russia.

capnhowdy · 11-03-2004, 05:33 PM

Knowing that this is a "showcraft", my attention was drawn to the right landing gear. Are these guns? If they are I'm sure they're props. I can't be the only cellarite that noticed it. Of course, in lots of other countries you may need artillery to go to an airshow...................
Very interesting. Excellent images.
Almost looks like there were modifications to the body of the aircraft as well as the great paint job.

ferkelparade · 11-03-2004, 05:47 PM

Nope, these aren't guns, these are just the outlying racks where rockets/heavy guns/other fun stuff can be mounted...look at this closeup:

pegusitas · 11-03-2004, 10:11 PM

http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/eaglecopter.asp

richlevy · 11-03-2004, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Uryoces

The $600 Allen wrenches would bug me more than the $200 of paint. By the way, the US operates the largest collection of Hinds, even taking into account Russia.

Why?

Cyber Wolf · 11-04-2004, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Uryoces

The $600 Allen wrenches would bug me more than the $200 of paint. By the way, the US operates the largest collection of Hinds, even taking into account Russia.

They both bug me, but $200 for a paint job makes more sense as far as pricing than a $600 wrench. No wrench should be work than unless it was make of solid gold and then it'd be all but useless.

Uryoces · 11-04-2004, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by richlevy

Why?

Why Allen wrenches or why the Hind Helicopter group?

Allen Wrenches: More a figure I pulled out of my ass as a matter of comparison.
i.e. The paintjob doesn't bother me. Neat.

Hind Helicopters: I know for Aggressor squadron training for one reason. Due tothe number here in the US, we have the largest Hind-24 fleet in the world.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-04-2004, 05:49 PM

The $200 Allen wrench, $600 hammer and $900 toilet seat are expensive for a very good reason. Mil Spec, shorthand for Military Specification.

Let’s say we want to add a little bracket to a helicopter. Just a 1” x 1” x 4” piece of angle aluminum that’s 1/8th of an inch thick. Simple? Hell no!
After we draw a picture of what it looks like and where it goes, the Army must approve it.
First the piece of angle; Who made the aluminum and when; who cut off the piece we are using and when; who/when heat treated it; who/when tested the results of heat treat; who/when alodized it with what chemicals, from what batch, made by whom/when, under what contract was the alodine transferred to the aplicator. All the same info for the primer and again for the paint.
Then we come to who/when, under what contract, drilled the holes; who/when inspected the piece; who/when applied the sealant (and the same info for the sealant as the paint); who/when riveted it (and the whole history of the rivets); who/when inspected it for the company and same for the Army.
Now take this reams of information, organize it in a specified manner, and keep it forever.
Boeing has a record of every part I machined in 1966 and what ship it was used on.
That’s why everything is so damn expensive, the paperwork.
Just to buy a copy of the Mil Specs would cost thousands and thousands of $.

Brown Thrasher · 11-04-2004, 06:53 PM

[quote=capnhowdy]Knowing that this is a "showcraft", my attention was drawn to the right landing gear. Are these guns? If they are I'm sure they're props. I can't be the only cellarite that noticed it. Of course, in lots of other countries you may need artillery to go to an airshow...................
Very interesting. Excellent images.
Almost looks like there were modifications to the body of the aircraft as well as the great paint job.

Sir, I Can't be sure those or props. However, I am not an expert on weapontry of any kind; Except, an M16 I was engaged to take apart clean an reassemble at leat thee times per week while serving in the military. Although, in my humble opinion, this country may need much more than artillery on a terribly painted aircraft at airshows in the future. Don't get me wrong. I think our proud county is one of courage, fear, and the will to succed. But to suceed we must realize that to suceed; listening possibly is the answer . The rivers shall run the wind will blow...........I know this may sound silly or even somehow politically incorrect, but to me we are not threatned by intellect but the unwiilingness to reflect...............

Cyber Wolf · 11-05-2004, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The $200 Allen wrench, $600 hammer and $900 toilet seat are expensive for a very good reason. Mil Spec, shorthand for Military Specification.

Let’s say we want to add a little bracket to a helicopter.
...
That’s why everything is so damn expensive, the paperwork.
Just to buy a copy of the Mil Specs would cost thousands and thousands of $.

Well considering the way our boys are over in Iraq now soldering scrap metal to their Mil Spec vehicles for added protection, I'm inclined to say 'Bollocks!" to all that. Hey, who knows...maybe they've got Mil Spec blowtorches over there, costing a couple of car payments apiece over there. Or perhaps the scrap metal is Mil Spec Scrap Metal©

11-03-2004, 11:52 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	11/3/2004: Eagle helicopter busterb sends along this set, which apparently is an Mi-24 flying in Afghanistan these days. He says the images have been going around, but I haven't seen 'em yet, so maybe you haven't either. Very nice!

11-03-2004, 02:42 PM	#3
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Spot on JR365.Here __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

11-03-2004, 03:11 PM	#4
Cyber Wolf As stable as a ring of PU-239 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: On a huge rock covered in water, highly advanced moss and 7 billion parasites Posts: 1,264	Quite a nice paintjob. Good to see my tax dollars are making sure the weapons they use to protect ME way over here look damn good in the process. Though, I think it resembles a falcon or kite more than it does an eagle. Or maybe it could be the golden eagle but it's certainly not a bald eagle...unless you count the 'bald' part as where the cockpit is. Hmm...now I want painted wolf fur on my car. __________________ "I don't see what's so triffic about creating people as people and then getting' upset 'cos they act like people." ~Adam Young, Good Omens "I don't see why it matters what is written. Not when it's about people. It can always be crossed out." ~Adam Young, Good Omens

11-03-2004, 05:33 PM	#7
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	Knowing that this is a "showcraft", my attention was drawn to the right landing gear. Are these guns? If they are I'm sure they're props. I can't be the only cellarite that noticed it. Of course, in lots of other countries you may need artillery to go to an airshow................... Very interesting. Excellent images. Almost looks like there were modifications to the body of the aircraft as well as the great paint job. __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

11-03-2004, 05:47 PM	#8
ferkelparade aspires to be a viking Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28	Nope, these aren't guns, these are just the outlying racks where rockets/heavy guns/other fun stuff can be mounted...look at this closeup: __________________ "frotz grue" http://www.portinari.de - oceanpunk

11-03-2004, 01:06 PM	#2
JR365 Person Who Has Posted Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2	I doubt there would be any operating hinds left in afghanistan, let alone one as spiffy as this one. I'm sure our boys wouldnt be flying in an old communist bloc aircraft anyways. By the looks of the insignia on the tail, i would guess eastern european. By the looks of the terrain and buildings, i would guess somewhere far from afghanistan. Either way, cool pics.

11-03-2004, 04:00 PM	#5
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Hungarian tax dollars.

11-03-2004, 10:11 PM	#9
pegusitas Writer of Writings Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 14	saw it on snopes http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/eaglecopter.asp

11-04-2004, 05:49 PM	#13
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The $200 Allen wrench, $600 hammer and $900 toilet seat are expensive for a very good reason. Mil Spec, shorthand for Military Specification. Let’s say we want to add a little bracket to a helicopter. Just a 1” x 1” x 4” piece of angle aluminum that’s 1/8th of an inch thick. Simple? Hell no! After we draw a picture of what it looks like and where it goes, the Army must approve it. First the piece of angle; Who made the aluminum and when; who cut off the piece we are using and when; who/when heat treated it; who/when tested the results of heat treat; who/when alodized it with what chemicals, from what batch, made by whom/when, under what contract was the alodine transferred to the aplicator. All the same info for the primer and again for the paint. Then we come to who/when, under what contract, drilled the holes; who/when inspected the piece; who/when applied the sealant (and the same info for the sealant as the paint); who/when riveted it (and the whole history of the rivets); who/when inspected it for the company and same for the Army. Now take this reams of information, organize it in a specified manner, and keep it forever. Boeing has a record of every part I machined in 1966 and what ship it was used on. That’s why everything is so damn expensive, the paperwork. Just to buy a copy of the Mil Specs would cost thousands and thousands of $. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-04-2004, 06:53 PM	#14
Brown Thrasher self=proclaimed ass looking for truth whatever that means Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: A treehouse Posts: 193	[quote=capnhowdy]Knowing that this is a "showcraft", my attention was drawn to the right landing gear. Are these guns? If they are I'm sure they're props. I can't be the only cellarite that noticed it. Of course, in lots of other countries you may need artillery to go to an airshow................... Very interesting. Excellent images. Almost looks like there were modifications to the body of the aircraft as well as the great paint job. Sir, I Can't be sure those or props. However, I am not an expert on weapontry of any kind; Except, an M16 I was engaged to take apart clean an reassemble at leat thee times per week while serving in the military. Although, in my humble opinion, this country may need much more than artillery on a terribly painted aircraft at airshows in the future. Don't get me wrong. I think our proud county is one of courage, fear, and the will to succed. But to suceed we must realize that to suceed; listening possibly is the answer . The rivers shall run the wind will blow...........I know this may sound silly or even somehow politically incorrect, but to me we are not threatned by intellect but the unwiilingness to reflect............... __________________ Let it rain, it eases pain.....

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