NYC photo

Joe · 03-25-2002, 10:59 AM

This was taken just after sunset

Torrere · 03-25-2002, 05:30 PM

Okay. Obvious question.

What are the two white poles?

MaggieL · 03-25-2002, 05:46 PM

The "poles" are shafts of light from two huge lights at Ground Zero. It's real, and it's a memorial.

Joe · 03-25-2002, 06:05 PM

I saw a view from the air, and the the lights are off the WTC site and located nearby. Ground Zero is still too active a site for art displays, so they did it across the street. The scale is also different than the original WTC towers, the lights aren't as wide as the real towers.

It would be cool if the same idea were used in a permanent memorial, but with lights in the actual outlines of where the towers really stood.

jtm · 03-25-2002, 07:21 PM

Are there larger, high quality picts somewhere?

Tobiasly · 03-26-2002, 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by Joe
It would be cool if the same idea were used in a permanent memorial, but with lights in the actual outlines of where the towers really stood.

The only problem with that is the cost of the electricity. I read somewhere that this memorial will be up for just a few months, but that it will cost $10,000 in electricity, which the electric company is donating to the city.

Chewbaccus · 03-26-2002, 01:03 PM

How goes the progress of photovoltaic cells (aka solar batteries)? If they were sufficiently developed, you could let them charge during the day, then let the lights run off them during the night.

~mike

CharlieG · 03-26-2002, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by Chewbaccus
How goes the progress of photovoltaic cells (aka solar batteries)? If they were sufficiently developed, you could let them charge during the day, then let the lights run off them during the night.

~mike

They aren't even CLOSE - those lighrs put out a LOT more light per sq foot than sunlight, plus you would have to make up for any losses in the system. You could do it now with enough acreage, but....

The thing is, thoses beams are LIGHT POLLUTION - if they were columns of smoke, people would scream. They turn them off at 10pm (or is it 11?), plus they watch for birds - they attract birds, and end up causing them to be killed. If a bird flock approaches, they turn them off - Plus, some of use want to be able to see the stars

Tobiasly · 03-26-2002, 11:47 PM

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The thing is, thoses beams are LIGHT POLLUTION - if they were columns of smoke, people would scream.... Plus, some of use want to be able to see the stars

Yeah, and if they were fountains of rotten sewage, people would scream too. But they're not. They're light. If you wanna see stars, move away from downtown NYC!

I like 'em.

For those interested, I found some larger pics at http://x.arpa.com/wtc_light_memorial/, although the photographer couldn't seem to get a good pic w/o barges in the way...

Torrere · 03-27-2002, 12:50 AM

Hm, good point about light pollution.

Although I've never been to NYC, I've always surmised that you can never see the stars in NYC anyway =]

CharlieG · 03-27-2002, 04:40 AM

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Originally posted by Tobiasly

Yeah, and if they were fountains of rotten sewage, people would scream too. But they're not. They're light. If you wanna see stars, move away from downtown NYC!

...snip

I have, I'm in Eastern Queens

And if you don't want to breath the smoke from those smokestacks, move away - and don't worry about killing the birds

ladysycamore · 04-15-2002, 09:18 AM

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Originally posted by Joe
This was taken just after sunset

*gets a bit misty eyed* That's just gorgeous. I just wish that could be permanent.

I hope that they can put up something permanent that is as symbolic as the lights (and no, not another tower building, which IMO, is just another target).

03-25-2002, 10:59 AM	#1
Joe Master of the Domain Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: AZ Posts: 221	NYC photo This was taken just after sunset Attached Images

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Torrere a real smartass Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,121	Okay. Obvious question. What are the two white poles? Last edited by Torrere; 03-25-2002 at 06:03 PM.

03-25-2002, 05:46 PM	#3
MaggieL in the Hour of Scampering Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Jeffersonville PA (15 mi NW of Philadelphia) Posts: 4,060	The "poles" are shafts of light from two huge lights at Ground Zero. It's real, and it's a memorial. __________________ "Neither can his Mind be thought to be in Tune,whose words do jarre; nor his reason In frame, whose sentence is preposterous..."

03-25-2002, 06:05 PM	#4
Joe Master of the Domain Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: AZ Posts: 221	those lights I saw a view from the air, and the the lights are off the WTC site and located nearby. Ground Zero is still too active a site for art displays, so they did it across the street. The scale is also different than the original WTC towers, the lights aren't as wide as the real towers. It would be cool if the same idea were used in a permanent memorial, but with lights in the actual outlines of where the towers really stood.

03-26-2002, 01:03 PM	#7
Chewbaccus Freethinker/booter Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 523	How goes the progress of photovoltaic cells (aka solar batteries)? If they were sufficiently developed, you could let them charge during the day, then let the lights run off them during the night. ~mike __________________ Like the wise man said: Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

03-25-2002, 07:21 PM	#5
jtm Dog O'Nine Tails Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 20	Are there larger, high quality picts somewhere?

03-27-2002, 12:50 AM	#10
Torrere a real smartass Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,121	Hm, good point about light pollution. Although I've never been to NYC, I've always surmised that you can never see the stars in NYC anyway =]

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