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Nothing But Net · 12-02-2004, 01:38 AM

My name is:

Timothy Ryan Saylors

It may be phonetic, but I would appreciate your help.

Eric · 12-02-2004, 03:19 AM

thx, BrianR, i always type the "from" to "form"..The two words r so similar ,i am sorry for that .
I don't like the bar completely, it's make the house more like a prison.but we must do that for security and i am very curious how u can protect home if there is not any bar and thieves can break into easily in American, can anybody tell me that?

Nothing But Net · 12-02-2004, 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric

thx, BrianR, i always type the "from" to "form"..The two words r so similar ,i am sorry for that .
I don't like the bar completely, it's make the house more like a prison.but we must do that for security and i am very curious how u can protect home if there is not any bar and thieves can break into easily in American, can anybody tell me that?

Hi Eric,

Don't you know? All Americans own a Chinese made Norinco AK-47, and in that way do not worry about home intrusions.

No really, I have a Mini-14 (.223 calibre semi-automatic rifle with 30-round clip, by any measure, a military class weapon, and I love my freedom to own it) and a couple of handguns (9mm and .25 calibre semi-automatics), and I'm in a low crime area (probably because the criminals know we have guns).

Tim

Billy · 12-02-2004, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nothing But Net

My name is:
Timothy Ryan Saylors
It may be phonetic, but I would appreciate your help.

Personally speaking, it is good to be 蒂莫西·瑞恩·赛勒斯. I will post it in Chinese Translation Forums for help.

404Error · 12-02-2004, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Nothing But Net

...and a couple of handguns (9mm and .25 calibre semi-automatics)...

And you call yourself a Texan? No true red blooded, God fearin', gun totin' American would dare admit to owning a .25 caliber peashooter. That's what the thieves carry.

(Unless of course that's your drop piece for when you blow the otherwise unarmed thieve's head off with the mini when he's creeping through your bedroom window...then it's okay.)

Clodfobble · 12-02-2004, 07:03 AM

Eric, there are bars on the windows of the toughest city areas in America, but most of the country simply doesn't have to fear burglars. Like Nothing But Net said, there's always the possibility the homeowner has a gun (and legally the homeowner will have every right to shoot you if you break into his home.)

In addition, the stuff in people's houses just isn't likely to be worth enough money to bother robbing it. You can only pawn a television set for $20 or so, and if they think it's stolen no pawn shop will want to take it (because the police will take it away if they find out it's stolen, and the pawn shop owner will not get his money back.)

I've known two people who had break-ins, and both times the thief took only a single, very expensive item, because they knew it was there--they'd heard my friends talking about it or saw them bring it in the house.

Kitsune · 12-02-2004, 07:45 AM

(and legally the homeowner will have every right to shoot you if you break into his home.)

I think that'd only be legal in Texas.

Clodfobble · 12-02-2004, 08:21 AM

Really? I thought for sure any state where you could have a gun in your home (with a license, of course) you would be able to use it in self-defense.

Happy Monkey · 12-02-2004, 08:40 AM

Sometimes, though, it's not automatically self defense if the guy's in your home.

Pretty good evidence, but not automatic.

Troubleshooter · 12-02-2004, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune

(and legally the homeowner will have every right to shoot you if you break into his home.)

I think that'd only be legal in Texas.

Louisiana gives you that right in your home as well as for car jacking.

Kitsune · 12-02-2004, 10:54 AM

Georgia tried to pass a law four years ago permitting you to shoot anyone who broke into your home, threatening or not, but it failed. Most states, including Florida, don't permit you to shoot someone just for breaking and entering -- your life must be in danger and the burgular must have a weapon and be threatening you with it. I think it really depends on the police investigating the incident, however. In Atlanta five or six years ago, it made the news that a man woke up to find someone trying to steal his car. The car owner pulled a rifle, shot the man from the safety of his home, and killed the would be thief. Police arrived on the scene, looked around, arrested no one. When the chief was confronted by the family of the car theif expecting that the owner of the car should be arrested for manslaughter, he responded, "Well, I guess he would have lived if he hadn't been stealing someone's car."

Carjacking is a different matter because the "castle law" does not apply. If someone is trying to carjack you in Florida or most other states, your first response had better be to step on the gas and drive away or get out of the car and run like hell as you do not have the same rights as being in your home. You may only pull a gun if you intend to use it to kill the criminal and you may only do that if you absolutely no means of escape. Only in a house do you have the right to stand your ground and not flee.

I highly recommend the book Florida Firearms by Jon H. Gutmacher if you have a CCW in Florida -- its an important read and I hope other states have similar books that discuss the law, sample cases, etc. Some of the sample cases are damn scary and show that you can easily have murder charges pressed against you, and be convicted, even if you were properly defending yourself.

Troubleshooter · 12-02-2004, 11:07 AM

All I know is that I'm keeping my car.

There was a legitimate reason that they used to hang horse thieves.

Those of you who live in a major metropolis might be able to get around with public transit, but people who don't live in a city of sufficient size are unable survive without a car.

wolf · 12-02-2004, 01:30 PM

Texas is one of the few states that allows you to shoot to protect property.

Most states require that you be in fear of loss of your life or grievous injury to shoot an intruder.

Pennsylvania is that way.

Belief that the intruder intended rape, incidently, would qualify as grounds to shoot.

There are a couple of other little niceties to the law that are important to be aware of, including that you can't shoot an intruder when he/she is fleeing.

Some states require that the homeowner make all attempts to retreat before firing. (Basically you have to let the guy who wants to kill you back you into a corner before you shoot so that it's justified.)

The majority of "defensive uses of firearms" don't involve firing a shot.

And I have the crazy Texan Outgunned. (not the mildly weird one, though. I've seen pictures.)

(there is a .pdf document called "Gun Facts" that has a lot of information about firearms and their use in the US. Defensive uses is covered on page 31.

BrianR · 12-02-2004, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric

thx, BrianR, i always type the "from" to "form"..The two words r so similar ,i am sorry for that .
I don't like the bar completely, it's make the house more like a prison.but we must do that for security and i am very curious how u can protect home if there is not any bar and thieves can break into easily in American, can anybody tell me that?

Sure. I do it like this:

Billy · 12-02-2004, 06:47 PM

It sounds like that your gun protection method is much more dangerous than our window bars. The more protection methods you use, the more stealing tools the thief make, such as "911".

12-02-2004, 01:38 AM	#46
Nothing But Net Professor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Spring, Texas Posts: 1,481	Billy, can you tell me how to write my name in Chinese? My name is: Timothy Ryan Saylors It may be phonetic, but I would appreciate your help.

12-02-2004, 08:40 AM	#54
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Sometimes, though, it's not automatically self defense if the guy's in your home. Pretty good evidence, but not automatic. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

12-02-2004, 11:07 AM	#57
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	All I know is that I'm keeping my car. There was a legitimate reason that they used to hang horse thieves. Those of you who live in a major metropolis might be able to get around with public transit, but people who don't live in a city of sufficient size are unable survive without a car. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

12-02-2004, 01:30 PM	#58
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Texas is one of the few states that allows you to shoot to protect property. Most states require that you be in fear of loss of your life or grievous injury to shoot an intruder. Pennsylvania is that way. Belief that the intruder intended rape, incidently, would qualify as grounds to shoot. There are a couple of other little niceties to the law that are important to be aware of, including that you can't shoot an intruder when he/she is fleeing. Some states require that the homeowner make all attempts to retreat before firing. (Basically you have to let the guy who wants to kill you back you into a corner before you shoot so that it's justified.) The majority of "defensive uses of firearms" don't involve firing a shot. And I have the crazy Texan Outgunned. (not the mildly weird one, though. I've seen pictures.) (there is a .pdf document called "Gun Facts" that has a lot of information about firearms and their use in the US. Defensive uses is covered on page 31. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis Last edited by wolf; 12-02-2004 at 01:36 PM.

12-02-2004, 03:19 AM	#47
Eric know yourself Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: GD province China Posts: 86	thx, BrianR, i always type the "from" to "form"..The two words r so similar ,i am sorry for that . I don't like the bar completely, it's make the house more like a prison.but we must do that for security and i am very curious how u can protect home if there is not any bar and thieves can break into easily in American, can anybody tell me that?

12-02-2004, 07:03 AM	#51
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Eric, there are bars on the windows of the toughest city areas in America, but most of the country simply doesn't have to fear burglars. Like Nothing But Net said, there's always the possibility the homeowner has a gun (and legally the homeowner will have every right to shoot you if you break into his home.) In addition, the stuff in people's houses just isn't likely to be worth enough money to bother robbing it. You can only pawn a television set for $20 or so, and if they think it's stolen no pawn shop will want to take it (because the police will take it away if they find out it's stolen, and the pawn shop owner will not get his money back.) I've known two people who had break-ins, and both times the thief took only a single, very expensive item, because they knew it was there--they'd heard my friends talking about it or saw them bring it in the house.

12-02-2004, 07:45 AM	#52
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	(and legally the homeowner will have every right to shoot you if you break into his home.) I think that'd only be legal in Texas.

12-02-2004, 08:21 AM	#53
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Really? I thought for sure any state where you could have a gun in your home (with a license, of course) you would be able to use it in self-defense.

12-02-2004, 10:54 AM	#56
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Georgia tried to pass a law four years ago permitting you to shoot anyone who broke into your home, threatening or not, but it failed. Most states, including Florida, don't permit you to shoot someone just for breaking and entering -- your life must be in danger and the burgular must have a weapon and be threatening you with it. I think it really depends on the police investigating the incident, however. In Atlanta five or six years ago, it made the news that a man woke up to find someone trying to steal his car. The car owner pulled a rifle, shot the man from the safety of his home, and killed the would be thief. Police arrived on the scene, looked around, arrested no one. When the chief was confronted by the family of the car theif expecting that the owner of the car should be arrested for manslaughter, he responded, "Well, I guess he would have lived if he hadn't been stealing someone's car." Carjacking is a different matter because the "castle law" does not apply. If someone is trying to carjack you in Florida or most other states, your first response had better be to step on the gas and drive away or get out of the car and run like hell as you do not have the same rights as being in your home. You may only pull a gun if you intend to use it to kill the criminal and you may only do that if you absolutely no means of escape. Only in a house do you have the right to stand your ground and not flee. I highly recommend the book Florida Firearms by Jon H. Gutmacher if you have a CCW in Florida -- its an important read and I hope other states have similar books that discuss the law, sample cases, etc. Some of the sample cases are damn scary and show that you can easily have murder charges pressed against you, and be convicted, even if you were properly defending yourself.

12-02-2004, 06:47 PM	#60
Billy Professor Join Date: May 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 1,462	It sounds like that your gun protection method is much more dangerous than our window bars. The more protection methods you use, the more stealing tools the thief make, such as "911".

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