Chemical Dependency/Illness or weakness - Page 4

Brown Thrasher · 03-09-2005, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 404Error

There may not be more drugs in prison than on the street but rest assured, for the right price you can get anything you want in prison.

And for what it's worth, inmates returning from off grounds furloughs (yes, minimum security prisons still grant weekend furloughs) are always strip searched, urine screened and if alcohol use is suspected, breath tested.

So, what is your point?
For the right price you can by anything on most any street corner, if you know where to go. If you still trying to convince me there are more drugs in prison than on the streets, you are wrong.......
I have taught classes on addiction and other things like taking responsibility for ones mistakes in more than one institution. I've actually been on the searches.... so what does that tell us? Are we afraid to accept that maybe some of our institutions run by the govt. are flawed????????

busterb · 03-10-2005, 10:25 PM

An alcoholic/addict will steal your wallet. But the addict will help you hunt it.

Brown Thrasher · 03-10-2005, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by busterb

An alcoholic/addict will steal your wallet. But the addict will help you hunt it.

Your statement does not make sense to me. However, I think it was attempt at humor. That's good, I like sick humor at times.........Better sick humor than none at all.....

404Error · 03-10-2005, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Brown Thrasher

I have taught classes on addiction and other things like taking responsibility for ones mistakes in more than one institution. I've actually been on the searches.... so what does that tell us? Are we afraid to accept that maybe some of our institutions run by the govt. are flawed????????

Oh well then, if you've actually "been on the searches", I guess that tells us you are the expert on what the real deal is inside our prison systems. Guess I don't have a leg to stand on in this discussion. I mean I only did 20 years inside as a meer correctional officer so what would I know about the availability of drugs in prison?

Brown Thrasher · 03-11-2005, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 404Error

Oh well then, if you've actually "been on the searches", I guess that tells us you are the expert on what the real deal is inside our prison systems. Guess I don't have a leg to stand on in this discussion. I mean I only did 20 years inside as a meer correctional officer so what would I know about the availability of drugs in prison?

Error, I dont' claim to be an expert on anything. I am definetly sorry for your misfortune of spending 20 years with psychopaths. My point was, as it is now, there are more drugs on the streets than in prison. I know there are drugs in prison, but I think you said there were more drugs in prison than on the streets. If I am wrong, about your statement. Please accept my apology.....

404Error · 03-11-2005, 12:58 AM

This is what I said in response to your statement that it was a myth about there being more drugs in prison than on the street.

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There may not be more drugs in prison than on the street but rest assured, for the right price you can get anything you want in prison.

Brown Thrasher · 03-11-2005, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 404Error

This is what I said in response to your statement that it was a myth about there being more drugs in prison than on the street.

Once again, I apologize. You are right. Someone made the statement, that there were more drugs in an inpatient treatment than on the streets.... I made the statement that was a myth. I went on to say that was like saying there were more drugs in prison than on the streets.. Also, I agree with enough money, you can get about anything you want in prison; just like you can on the streets.....

xoxoxoBruce · 03-12-2005, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Brown Thrasher

A little contradiction. You are the one that said that your friend gave of drugs because it was intefering with his alcohol. However you are right if he does drink alcohol or do drugs that does not mean he is addicted. I'm glad your friend is associated with A.A... The program is quite helpful to some alcoholics. If your talking about Dr. Bob, who with Bill W. founded A.A. in the 1930"s He must be quite OLD and knowledgable.

To clarify, he gave up drugs because they interfered with his drinking. For many years he scoffed at Dr Bobs assertion he was an alcoholic. He could handle it.

Then about 25 years ago he hit bottom and ever since has been sober and heavily involved in AA, founding chapters, staffing hotlines, lobbying pols and preaching the AA gospel. Yeah, he's old.

Brown Thrasher · 03-12-2005, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

To clarify, he gave up drugs because they interfered with his drinking. For many years he scoffed at Dr Bobs assertion he was an alcoholic. He could handle it.

Then about 25 years ago he hit bottom and ever since has been sober and heavily involved in AA, founding chapters, staffing hotlines, lobbying pols and preaching the AA gospel. Yeah, he's old.

Bless him. A.A. really works for people who want it to work. Most everybody preaches something..... If preaching A.A.

is helping him and others, more pwer to him......

Trilby · 03-13-2005, 05:01 PM

You know, the whole preachy-thing about AA is what turns me off. Why can't AA be more like Jesus? And why does everybody have to be so mean to the Newcomer? And why do you have to do 90 meetings in 90 days if you didn't drink 90 days in a row?????

xoxoxoBruce · 03-13-2005, 08:22 PM

Because after 90 odd years of trial and error they've found out that works.

Trilby · 03-14-2005, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Because after 90 odd years of trial and error they've found out that works.

I'll drink to that*

*soda! Drink soda!!

mrnoodle · 03-14-2005, 10:10 AM

I wish there was an entity as effective as AA for meth users. I know there are various 12-step programs that sort of blanket the whole realm of addiction, but meth is a filthy, filthy drug that deserves separate attention.

I've got two friends who are hooked on it, and one of them is almost to the point of no return, brain-wise. She doesn't even talk like an intelligent person anymore. I imagine her heart rate is similar to that of a small bird, and she weighs about as much. She's had an intervention, she's been in jail, she's been broke, she's been raped, she sells both meth and her own body (although she swears she's not 'working' anymore, no one really believes her). Her teeth used to be beautiful, but they're nasty and brown now. Oddly enough, her hair's still in, and she doesn't have the burn marks on her fingertips from the pipe anymore. I hope she's not injecting. Age -- 23.

Meth is the filthiest drug ever invented.

Trilby · 03-14-2005, 11:04 AM

Wow--23. Such a waste! They are thinking of passing a law here in OH to limit the amount of sudafed you can buy in a month. Anything like that in CO??

Troubleshooter · 03-14-2005, 11:42 AM

Here in my town, in La, they keep the ephedrin based products behind the counter. You can buy them now problem, you just have to ask for them.

As to the people who do it to themselves after people have tried to help them repeatedly, more power to them, do more drugs and faster. It's part of my drug legalization platform.

03-10-2005, 10:25 PM	#47
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	An alcoholic/addict will steal your wallet. But the addict will help you hunt it. __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

03-13-2005, 05:01 PM	#55
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	You know, the whole preachy-thing about AA is what turns me off. Why can't AA be more like Jesus? And why does everybody have to be so mean to the Newcomer? And why do you have to do 90 meetings in 90 days if you didn't drink 90 days in a row????? __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-13-2005, 08:22 PM	#56
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Because after 90 odd years of trial and error they've found out that works. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-14-2005, 10:10 AM	#58
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	I wish there was an entity as effective as AA for meth users. I know there are various 12-step programs that sort of blanket the whole realm of addiction, but meth is a filthy, filthy drug that deserves separate attention. I've got two friends who are hooked on it, and one of them is almost to the point of no return, brain-wise. She doesn't even talk like an intelligent person anymore. I imagine her heart rate is similar to that of a small bird, and she weighs about as much. She's had an intervention, she's been in jail, she's been broke, she's been raped, she sells both meth and her own body (although she swears she's not 'working' anymore, no one really believes her). Her teeth used to be beautiful, but they're nasty and brown now. Oddly enough, her hair's still in, and she doesn't have the burn marks on her fingertips from the pipe anymore. I hope she's not injecting. Age -- 23. Meth is the filthiest drug ever invented. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

03-14-2005, 11:04 AM	#59
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Wow--23. Such a waste! They are thinking of passing a law here in OH to limit the amount of sudafed you can buy in a month. Anything like that in CO?? __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-14-2005, 11:42 AM	#60
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Here in my town, in La, they keep the ephedrin based products behind the counter. You can buy them now problem, you just have to ask for them. As to the people who do it to themselves after people have tried to help them repeatedly, more power to them, do more drugs and faster. It's part of my drug legalization platform. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

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