PETA Recap/Summary

[garnet]

Originally Posted by wolf

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

Just FYI:

This website is sponsored and paid for by Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF), a front group for Philip Morris, Outback Steakhouse, KFC, logging interests, cattle ranchers, and almost every major liquor peddler.

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) has recently filed a complaint with the Internal Revenue Service alleging that CCF has violated its tax-exempt status by engaging in prohibited electioneering (asking people to vote against Dennis Kucinich, as if that was really necessary...); by funneling nearly $7 million, together with another front group, to the founder of the organization Richard Berman and to his for-profit business; and by engaging in activities with no charitable purpose. (http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?...articleId=8984)

More infor on the CCF:

http://www.ConsumerDeception.com
http://www.CitizensForEthics.org/act...ign.php?view=3

Here is a list of the CCF's other "targets," both past and present:

Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD)
American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons
The American Medical Association
The Arthritis Foundation
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani
The Harvard School of Public Health
The Marin Institute for the Prevention of Alcohol and Other Drug Problems
The National Association of High School Principals
The National Safety Council
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
The U.S. Department of Transportation

[lookout123]

why exactly would liquor companies give two shits about PETA? its not like all vegans are straightedge.

[garnet]

Originally Posted by lookout123

why exactly would liquor companies give two shits about PETA? its not like all vegans are straightedge.

Hi Lookie, how are ya?

Naw, the liquor companies don't care about PETA, but the cattle ranchers, KFC and Outback Steakhouse do. These guys give a nice donation to the CCF (fully tax-deductible, by the way), and the CCF "reciprocates" with a "PETA Kills Animals" billboard in Times Square. The liquor companies get their piece when the CCF bashes the AMA, MADD, etc.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally Posted by garnet

Just FYI:

Are they wrong or lying? That's the important question.

Are the listed numbers in some way incorrect?

Did they or did they not finance at least two known domestic terrorists?

Were the quotes actually spoken as they were attributed?

Did they actually produce and distribute this comic book to children?


And the first mother-fucker that hands something like that to my child gets to play christmas tree, by the way.

[kerosene]

That looks a lot like that rabbit I shot a few weeks ago.

[garnet]

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

Are they wrong or lying? That's the important question.

Are the listed numbers in some way incorrect?

Did they or did they not finance at least two known domestic terrorists?

Were the quotes actually spoken as they were attributed?

Did they actually produce and distribute this comic book to children?


And the first mother-fucker that hands something like that to my child gets to play christmas tree, by the way.

How did I know this was coming...

TS, why are you so threatened by PETA? You get SO angry when anyone brings up PETA, yet at the same time proceed to call them idiots. Why are a bunch of idiots such a threat to you? if you don't like PETA, ignore them. I don't like your heroes at the NRA, but idon't waste my time worrying about them. it's not worth getting so upset about.

And yes, the numbers, quotes and accusations made by the CCF are inaccurate, taken out of context and/or completely fabricated. But if you want to continue to believe them, that's fine, it's your choice. I have been to many anti-fur demonstrations where the brochure you're so upset about was used. They were never, ever handed to children--only people who looked to be at least 20 years old. We're they perhaps given to a 17-year old who looked 20? Perhaps, but I think a 17 year old will be able to get over it--just like you should.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally Posted by garnet

How did I know this was coming...

There's hope for you yet...

Originally Posted by garnet

TS, why are you so threatened by PETA? You get SO angry when anyone brings up PETA, yet at the same time proceed to call them idiots. Why are a bunch of idiots such a threat to you? if you don't like PETA, ignore them.

I'm not threatened by them, at least not directly. But I am concerned about any form of extremism. And these ...people... are extremists.

Originally Posted by garnet

I don't like your heroes at the NRA, but idon't waste my time worrying about them. it's not worth getting so upset about.

I'm not aware of the NRA advocating violence and destruction or an extreme change of life for every person on the planet, regardless of their wishes. I don't see the NRA trying to convince me that my child's life is equal to that of a dog, cat, or monkey.

For the record, I'm not a member and I think some of the people at the NRA are as wacky as the PETA people.

Originally Posted by garnet

And yes, the numbers, quotes and accusations made by the CCF are inaccurate, taken out of context and/or completely fabricated.

Can you cite otherwise? There is video of Rodney Coronado giving a demonstration on a college campus, at PETA expense teaching people how to make an incendiary device. How out of context is that?

Originally Posted by garnet

But if you want to continue to believe them, that's fine, it's your choice. I have been to many anti-fur demonstrations where the brochure you're so upset about was used. They were never, ever handed to children--only people who looked to be at least 20 years old. We're they perhaps given to a 17-year old who looked 20? Perhaps, but I think a 17 year old will be able to get over it--just like you should.

I made the christmas tree referrence conditional for a reason. I wouldn't just shoot someone for no reason.

And why would the market it to a children's level unless they expected for it to end up in a child's hands?

[garnet]

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

I'm not threatened by them, at least not directly. But I am concerned about any form of extremism. And these ...people... are extremists.

Hmmm, I go to work everyday, pay my taxes, own a home, vote, have a clean police record, and I don't participate in anything violent. So that makes me extremist? Cool! I've never really thought of myself that way, but hey, whatever you say.

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

I'm not aware of the NRA advocating violence and destruction or an extreme change of life for every person on the planet, regardless of their wishes.

Nor does PETA advocate violence or destruction. If PETA is so violent, how come the FBI and IRS has not taken away our tax-exempt status? They keep a close eye on us to the point of harassment, but have never found anything. PETA has been around 25 years, so they've had a quarter-century to investigate. Are the FBI and IRS not doing their job? No wait, I know! The FBI, IRS and PETA are all secretly conspiring to take away everyone's right to eat a cheeseburger. Please.

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

I don't see the NRA trying to convince me that my child's life is equal to that of a dog, cat, or monkey. Can you cite otherwise? There is video of Rodney Coronado giving a demonstration on a college campus, at PETA expense teaching people how to make an incendiary device. How out of context is that?

I can cite anything you want. I'll be happy to do this for you if you want, and we can go back and forth about it for days. However I doubt that anyone else in the Cellar really cares. And since PETA finances terrorists, can I ask again how we get away with maintaining our tax-exempt status? Wouldn't the government and their many IRS audits of PETA have discovered this by now? Hmmm.

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

I made the christmas tree referrence conditional for a reason. I wouldn't just shoot someone for no reason.

I'm really glad to hear that you only gun down people when they hand out brochures or do other things you don't like. Very comforting.

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

And why would the market it to a children's level unless they expected for it to end up in a child's hands?

This is a leaflet that is made to look like a comic book. Do you think that every comic book is intended for children? No, lot of them are adult-oriented. I can't name any off hand because the genre doesn't interest me, but I'm sure there's people out there that can.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by garnet

This is a leaflet that is made to look like a comic book. Do you think that every comic book is intended for children? No, lot of them are adult-oriented. I can't name any off hand because the genre doesn't interest me, but I'm sure there's people out there that can.

True, Mad magazine comes to mind but there are a slew of porn "comic books" also. The PETA "comic book" raises hackles because at first glance it gives the appearance of being for kids. I've a feeling this was intentional to get peoples attention...you know, shock value.....an old and honorable(?) advertising gaff.

I was more interested in a link, from Wolf's link, about the agenda and methodology of the Humane Society of the United States.
I must admit I hadn't done my homework on this organization and made assumptions that are apparently not true. I thought they were sponsoring animal shelters when they are not.

In 1980, HSUS officially began to change its focus from animal welfare to animal rights. A vote was taken at the national conference in San Francisco and it was formally resolved that the group would “pursue on all fronts … the clear articulation and establishment of the rights of all animals … within the full range of American life and culture.”


In Animal Rights and Human Obligations, the published proceedings of this conference, HSUS stated unequivocally that “there is no rational basis for maintaining a moral distinction between the treatment of humans and other animals.”

Hmmm....my bad.

[SmurfAbuser]

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

I'm not aware of the NRA advocating violence and destruction or an extreme change of life for every person on the planet, regardless of their wishes.

Just curious about the "extreme change of life" comment. I'm guessing that you're not referring to menopause, but vegetarianism? (sorry, couldn't help myself ). Anyway, how could PETA possibly force people to stop eating meat? They may advocate it ad nauseum, but they can't force anyone to do anything. The same can be said about the NRA--they may be annoying as hell, but they can't force me to go buy a gun if I don't want to. I guess my point is that there are bigger things to worry about in the world right now. In this case, if ya can't beat 'em, ignore 'em.

[Troubleshooter]

I somehow doubt the NRA would make it illegal to be without a gun, whereas PETA would make it a crime to own an animal for any reason, even aid animals.

I somehow doubt the NRA would condone or enjoine the burning of pacifists homes or businesses.

I somehow doubt that the NRA would collect your treasured weapons under the auspices of protecting them from abuse and neglect and then toss them into a shredder.

So no, I don't guess they can do much.

And I agree that there are many bigger issues in the world, but this one stikes at the heart of all of the issue, cognitive failure.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

Are they wrong or lying? That's the important question.
...
Did they actually produce and distribute this comic book to children?

Is the comic book wrong or lying? Or is it the presentation and insinuations in the comic book that offend you?

[Troubleshooter]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Is the comic book wrong or lying? Or is it the presentation and insinuations in the comic book that offend you?

The underlying facts of the comic are untrue. Someone else processes everything we see now. And yes I know that there have been legitimate cases of animal cruelty at those facilities.

The comic purports that your mother, think about that, your mother is an evil moster who strips animals of their skin in an orgy of consumerism.

Now, I know for a fact that my mother does not in any way fold, spindle, or mutilate animals for her own ends.

So, yes, and yes.

[wolf]

Of course Garnet doesn't give them much credence, but The Center for Consumer Freedom presented testimony to congress about PETA's (and other organizations') funding ties to ALF and ELF.

[garnet]

You guessed it, Lookout! Nice going!

Originally Posted by wolf

Of course Garnet doesn't give them much credence, but The Center for Consumer Freedom presented testimony to congress about PETA's (and other organizations') funding ties to ALF and ELF.

So what? These guys are lobbyists, and they present a lot of things to Congress. Does the fact that it was presented to Congress make it true?

BTW, PETA just got word that the IRS has completed their 20-month audit of our finances. This audit basically started because of the CCF's politically-motivated claims, which began a couple years ago. The IRS left no stone unturned in a nearly two-year-long investigation, and PETA has just received a "clean bill or health." Our tax-exempt status will remain intact, once again proving that the CCF is lying.

Again, if PETA is a "terrorist" organization, why do we still have our tax-exempt status? Wouldn't the IRS and FBI have figured it out by now?