IS THERE A GOD? - Page 5

Beestie · 05-13-2005, 10:24 AM

Well put, OC.

Personally, I have abandoned the idea of defending my faith. I have just reached the point where I'm comfortable with my religious beliefs and seek neither to spread them nor abandon them.

If I convince someone to share my beliefs - if I succeed in spreading my faith to a lesser intellect - is he really now "faithful" or just "sold." If I am confronted by a superior intellect who can lead me to doubt or question my faith am I to abandon it?

Even as a Christian, it makes my skin crawl when someone asks me "have you accepted Jesus as your Lord and Saviour?" I just can't escape the feeling that the guy is trying to win a set of steak knives in a sales contest. If leading by example does not prompt others to express an interest in my faith then either the example I'm setting isn't good enough or it just wasn't meant to happen.

05-15-2005, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by smoothmoniker

Yeah, clearly no offense embedded there.

No really.. no offense.

smoothmoniker · 05-16-2005, 12:48 AM

you don't see your assumption that someone else's convictions are the result of blind devotion, lack of any sort of rational evaluation,

you don't see that as offensive?

BigV · 05-16-2005, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Asylum

I entered the poll as "I am god", but only for comedic value and lack of other viable options... not that it's that funny. I'd honestly answer that I have no clue if there is one and that I wish there were a god that I knew and loved. I can't intelliegently beleive in any of the gods in existense currently... how sad am I? Sometimes I sincerely wish I could believe because often I could use one. No offense to those of you who believe... sometimes I envy your (blind?) devotion and faith.

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Originally Posted by smoothmoniker

you don't see your assumption that someone else's convictions are the result of blind devotion, lack of any sort of rational evaluation,

you don't see that as offensive?

Hey, sm, offense is in the eye of the beholder. Asylum apologized, twice. If you're determined to be offended, go right ahead. I read her posts, and I don't detect the offense you're unhappy about.

For me, faith is blind, in a way. It is belief in things not seen.

She said she envies your devotion, your faith. To her it's blind because she can't see what you see. To you it's rational evaluation. Why would you take offense at someone's desire to know what you know, to have what you have? Don't be offended, be enlightening. Asylum lacks hope, belief, trust, all things you have. Share.

derder · 05-16-2005, 02:38 PM

there is a god certainly.there is a heaven and hell.

Catwoman · 05-17-2005, 08:42 AM

This thread is annoying me for some reason. So here's your answer:

No. And stop asking stupid questions.

johningerslev · 06-06-2005, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Catwoman

This thread is annoying me for some reason. So here's your answer:
No. And stop asking stupid questions.

Honestly not wanting to annoy you... but ... if this thread is annoying you then it MIGHT be the case that you have not resolved the issue satisfactioraly in your head. Otherwise why are you annoyed?

Oh and while i'm here, <B>faith</B> (in t' NIV(one particular translation) bible) is 'being sure of what you hope for, and certain of what you do not see'

xoxoxoBruce · 07-02-2005, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Catwoman

This thread is annoying me for some reason.

This thread started 12-11-03. If it annoys you why are you still reading it on 5-17-05?

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Originally Posted by Onyx

The ones with blind faith are the ones to ignore. They have no reason, no justification for their belief. These are usually fundies.

The bible tells us to have reasons for our faith, and be ready to give answers to questions about your faith.

RELIGION loves blind faith. God doesn't.

You have blind faith in the bible.

OnyxCougar · 07-03-2005, 10:13 AM

No I don't have blind faith in the bible.

Troubleshooter · 07-03-2005, 10:32 AM

How can you be a literalist creationist and not have blind faith in the bible?

Barring all of the other contradictions anyway...

View Poll Results: is there a god
there is only one god, the christian god	14	25.00%
there is no god, no heaven, no hell	25	44.64%
there are several gods	4	7.14%
i am god	6	10.71%
i believe in "The Force"	7	12.50%
Voters: 56. You may not vote on this poll

05-13-2005, 10:24 AM	#61
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	Well put, OC. Personally, I have abandoned the idea of defending my faith. I have just reached the point where I'm comfortable with my religious beliefs and seek neither to spread them nor abandon them. If I convince someone to share my beliefs - if I succeed in spreading my faith to a lesser intellect - is he really now "faithful" or just "sold." If I am confronted by a superior intellect who can lead me to doubt or question my faith am I to abandon it? Even as a Christian, it makes my skin crawl when someone asks me "have you accepted Jesus as your Lord and Saviour?" I just can't escape the feeling that the guy is trying to win a set of steak knives in a sales contest. If leading by example does not prompt others to express an interest in my faith then either the example I'm setting isn't good enough or it just wasn't meant to happen. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

05-16-2005, 12:48 AM	#63
smoothmoniker to live and die in LA Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,090	you don't see your assumption that someone else's convictions are the result of blind devotion, lack of any sort of rational evaluation, you don't see that as offensive? __________________ to live and die in LA

05-16-2005, 02:38 PM	#65
derder Questionist Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 8	there is a god certainly.there is a heaven and hell. __________________ tiny dancer

05-17-2005, 08:42 AM	#66
Catwoman stalking a Tom Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: on the edge of the english channel Posts: 1,000	This thread is annoying me for some reason. So here's your answer: No. And stop asking stupid questions. __________________ I've decided I'm not going to have a signature anymore.

07-03-2005, 10:13 AM	#69
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	No I don't have blind faith in the bible. __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

07-03-2005, 10:32 AM	#70
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	How can you be a literalist creationist and not have blind faith in the bible? Barring all of the other contradictions anyway... __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

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