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Cyclefrance · 08-17-2005, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

As a denizen of the Internet, which it turns out is worldwide, it's my duty to inform you that Snopes says false.

I have absolutely no problem apologising (sorry 'apologizing') for the teletubbies - please send them back as I know exactly where they may be re-sited (if I can find the inventor). Pls may we have the answer now?

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Originally Posted by Bullitt

Nuthin beats the New Jersey "Jug-Handles".. why would anyone make left turns illegal??

Further apologies from ignorant Brit, but only know jughandles to be just that - pls elaborate and educate...

wolf · 08-17-2005, 10:13 AM

Like this ...

You're not allowed to make your left hand turn at the intersection.

You go into the jughandle, and then turn left out of it.

This will make more sense if you remember that Americans drive on the right.

Sometimes there are extra traffic lights so you can actually turn left out of the jughandle into traffic. Sometimes there are not ... which is when jughandles become more dangerous than the old-style left turn lane and light at the intersection.

Other ones are set up so you are only making right hand turns.

You don't always know you're in a jughandle area ... the signs don't say "jughandle ahead" ... they say "all turns from right lane."

In this particular example, jughandle #1 would be for people who are turning right on the cross street ... jughandle #2 is for folks that want to make the left ... which now involves two right turns.

mrnoodle · 08-17-2005, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Like this ... tion.

You go into the jughandle, and then turn left out of it.

you'd turn left from the jughandle rather than turn right from the main street? how does that save time/congestion?

Cyclefrance · 08-17-2005, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Like this ...

You're not allowed to make your left hand turn at the intersection.

You go into the jughandle, and then turn left out of it.

Thanks Wolf - this has left me somewhat in awe of your road research gurus. Initially it looks like a good idea but then the designers get carried away. Isn't #1 for turning left though, and #2 for turning right?

Any incidents of a double jug-handle, where say, as in #1, there is a return handle so that the motorist who mistakenly turned right when he didn't mean to has another handle to his left (placed a short way along after entering the first handle) which pemits him to return to the original highway but a little further on....... just an idea....

jinx · 08-17-2005, 11:23 AM

I don't mind jug handles, and actually was made fun of for years because I would pull into a parking lot and then use the light at the exit to cross over onto my moms street - making my own jug handle, and avoiding sitting at the light for 12 years in Delaware county traffic trying to make a left turn. A better option: a left turn arrow. Seems like an extra bulb on the traffic light would be cheaper and easier than all that extra pavement, but what do I know... We don't have traffic out here in Elverson, much less traffic circles.

wolf · 08-18-2005, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jinx

... and avoiding sitting at the light for 12 years in Delaware county traffic trying to make a left turn.

I have gone significantly out of my way to avoid left hand turns, particularly in really bad traffic.

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wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Like this ... You're not allowed to make your left hand turn at the intersection. You go into the jughandle, and then turn left out of it. This will make more sense if you remember that Americans drive on the right. Sometimes there are extra traffic lights so you can actually turn left out of the jughandle into traffic. Sometimes there are not ... which is when jughandles become more dangerous than the old-style left turn lane and light at the intersection. Other ones are set up so you are only making right hand turns. You don't always know you're in a jughandle area ... the signs don't say "jughandle ahead" ... they say "all turns from right lane." In this particular example, jughandle #1 would be for people who are turning right on the cross street ... jughandle #2 is for folks that want to make the left ... which now involves two right turns. Attached Images __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis Last edited by wolf; 08-17-2005 at 10:16 AM.

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