10/27/2005: German water bridge

Undertoad · 10-27-2005, 08:03 AM

It's not a new installation, but I'd never seen it before someone sent along this Snopes entry which confirms. This is an actual water bridge, an amazing feat of engineering. A kilometer in size!

At the center of the project is Europe's longest water bridge measuring in just shy of a kilometer at 918 meters. The huge tub to transport ships over the Elbe took 24,000 metric tons of steel and 68,000 cubic meters of concrete to build.

The water bridge will enable river barges to avoid a lengthy and sometimes unreliable passage along the Elbe. Shipping can often come to a halt on the stretch if the river's water mark falls to unacceptably low levels.

Trilby · 10-27-2005, 08:10 AM

That is really cool. Those German engineers are hawt.

glatt · 10-27-2005, 08:27 AM

I like that. Very impressive.

Here's an old school one on the Erie Canal in Rochester.

Erie Canal water bridge

xoxoxoBruce · 10-27-2005, 10:00 AM

Well duh, the Romans did it thousands of years ago.

Sundae · 10-27-2005, 10:13 AM

I am being charitable and assuming that the picture was taken on the opening day, or some other gala event.

Otherwise I'd have to conclude that there wasn't an awful lot of excitement in those parts......

sktzofrenic · 10-27-2005, 10:45 AM

I can't help but think that there are cheaper and more practical ways to move people and goods then a gigantic water bridge...

forgive my cynicism...

Happy Monkey · 10-27-2005, 11:24 AM

I doubt it, in the long run. Barge-loader-truck-loader-barge is more complicated than barge. The cost of the bridge can be divided into all of the transfers that are saved during the lifetime of the bridge. And if the bridge was constructed well, that lifetime should be very long.

John · 10-27-2005, 11:24 AM

I can't help but think that there are cheaper and more practical ways to move people and goods then a gigantic water bridge...

Not really. Water transport is among the most efficient methods available - and, when the Elbe is impassable, transport comes to a dead halt. "working around" would involve doubling the number of ships (one above the impassable section, one below), unloading the cargo, transporting the cargo by land, and re-loading it onto the new ship.

Multiply that by EVERY SHIP. Consider that you don't have any way to predict when this is necessary and when it isn't.

No, the bridge is probably the most efficient way of doing things, overall, just like canals and tunnels are often more efficient than going around, even if they're harder to build.

mrnoodle · 10-27-2005, 12:50 PM

Keep in mind, the Germans built it. They're not known for extravagance if there's not a utilitarian payoff.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-27-2005, 08:33 PM

Actually there's a little more to it. Included in this project is a couple of locks. This project, in the works since the 30s, ties the east German and West German canal systems together.
It allows them to move freight cheaper but it also enables them to move BIG stuff that can't be moved through the back roads and small villages.

zippyt · 10-27-2005, 08:43 PM

this is VERRRRRY COOL !!!!
Just imagen how much weight is on those pileings !!!!!
( ok math geeks , this is your moment to shine !!!)

Oh and I wounder if said weight goes up as a barge passes over said pileing ??? or if it is evenly distributed and displaced by the boyency of said barge ???

Tanalia · 10-27-2005, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by zippyt

this is VERRRRRY COOL !!!!
Just imagen how much weight is on those pileings !!!!!
( ok math geeks , this is your moment to shine !!!)

Not enough data from the story, but it shouldn't be much more than maybe 5 or so times that for a comparable highway bridge (it's effectively just a thick layer of water on top of a highway...), which looks about right from the size of the supports.

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Oh and I wounder if said weight goes up as a barge passes over said pileing ??? or if it is evenly distributed and displaced by the boyency of said barge ???

Not really. If you could just drop a barge in the middle, there would be a local spike in the weight until the displacement was spread out (which would be very rapid) -- the water level over the whole bridge would rise a tiny bit and each support would share the load.

Since the barges are introduced via locks, the water level in the lock is matched to that of the bridge, and each barge displaces its weight in water, so there is no net increase in weight. This would be the same as if you could drop it in and then remove water until it was back at the original level, returning it to the original weight.

As long as the water level is maintained and there are only floating objects, the weight remains the same.

tw · 10-27-2005, 09:46 PM

Above is new version of an old technology. Roebling demonstrated suspension bridges in 1848-1851 by building four suspension bridges to carry 30+ foot coal carrying barges from Carbondale PA destined for NYC on the Delaware and Hudson Canal. This technology was later used in 1883 to create the Brooklyn Bridge.

Some pictures of Roeblings oldest and still existing bridge. Second is before side walls were restored. This bridge carried something like seven feet of water, 20 feet wide, for about 130+ feet across the Delaware at a junction to the Lackawaxen River (what now empties Lake Wallenpaupak).

Yes those are people under that bridge that was built by hand:

Sun_Sparkz · 10-27-2005, 10:11 PM

you could catch a flathead on your way to work anyway......

Lizsun · 10-27-2005, 10:21 PM

Simon and Garfunkle,"Like a Bridge of untroubled water over troubled water, I won't lay me down . . . or I'd drown"

Liz
http://lettingmebe.blogspot.com

10-27-2005, 08:03 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	10/27/2005: German water bridge It's not a new installation, but I'd never seen it before someone sent along this Snopes entry which confirms. This is an actual water bridge, an amazing feat of engineering. A kilometer in size! At the center of the project is Europe's longest water bridge measuring in just shy of a kilometer at 918 meters. The huge tub to transport ships over the Elbe took 24,000 metric tons of steel and 68,000 cubic meters of concrete to build. The water bridge will enable river barges to avoid a lengthy and sometimes unreliable passage along the Elbe. Shipping can often come to a halt on the stretch if the river's water mark falls to unacceptably low levels.

10-27-2005, 08:10 AM	#2
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	That is really cool. Those German engineers are hawt. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

10-27-2005, 10:00 AM	#4
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Well duh, the Romans did it thousands of years ago. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-27-2005, 10:45 AM	#6
sktzofrenic Rapscallion Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5	What a waste :) I can't help but think that there are cheaper and more practical ways to move people and goods then a gigantic water bridge... forgive my cynicism...

10-27-2005, 11:24 AM	#7
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I doubt it, in the long run. Barge-loader-truck-loader-barge is more complicated than barge. The cost of the bridge can be divided into all of the transfers that are saved during the lifetime of the bridge. And if the bridge was constructed well, that lifetime should be very long. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

10-27-2005, 08:27 AM	#3
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I like that. Very impressive. Here's an old school one on the Erie Canal in Rochester. Erie Canal water bridge

10-27-2005, 10:13 AM	#5
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I am being charitable and assuming that the picture was taken on the opening day, or some other gala event. Otherwise I'd have to conclude that there wasn't an awful lot of excitement in those parts......

10-27-2005, 11:24 AM	#8
John Operations Operative Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 562	I can't help but think that there are cheaper and more practical ways to move people and goods then a gigantic water bridge... Not really. Water transport is among the most efficient methods available - and, when the Elbe is impassable, transport comes to a dead halt. "working around" would involve doubling the number of ships (one above the impassable section, one below), unloading the cargo, transporting the cargo by land, and re-loading it onto the new ship. Multiply that by EVERY SHIP. Consider that you don't have any way to predict when this is necessary and when it isn't. No, the bridge is probably the most efficient way of doing things, overall, just like canals and tunnels are often more efficient than going around, even if they're harder to build.

10-27-2005, 12:50 PM	#9
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	Keep in mind, the Germans built it. They're not known for extravagance if there's not a utilitarian payoff. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

10-27-2005, 08:33 PM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Actually there's a little more to it. Included in this project is a couple of locks. This project, in the works since the 30s, ties the east German and West German canal systems together. It allows them to move freight cheaper but it also enables them to move BIG stuff that can't be moved through the back roads and small villages. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-27-2005, 08:43 PM	#11
zippyt LONG LIVE KING ZIPPY! per Feetz Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,661	this is VERRRRRY COOL !!!! Just imagen how much weight is on those pileings !!!!! ( ok math geeks , this is your moment to shine !!!) Oh and I wounder if said weight goes up as a barge passes over said pileing ??? or if it is evenly distributed and displaced by the boyency of said barge ??? __________________ "Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. " Brother Dave Gardner

10-27-2005, 09:46 PM	#13
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Above is new version of an old technology. Roebling demonstrated suspension bridges in 1848-1851 by building four suspension bridges to carry 30+ foot coal carrying barges from Carbondale PA destined for NYC on the Delaware and Hudson Canal. This technology was later used in 1883 to create the Brooklyn Bridge. Some pictures of Roeblings oldest and still existing bridge. Second is before side walls were restored. This bridge carried something like seven feet of water, 20 feet wide, for about 130+ feet across the Delaware at a junction to the Lackawaxen River (what now empties Lake Wallenpaupak). Yes those are people under that bridge that was built by hand: Last edited by tw; 10-27-2005 at 10:21 PM.

10-27-2005, 10:11 PM	#14
Sun_Sparkz Has Body Temperature Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: I come from a land downunder Posts: 1,105	you could catch a flathead on your way to work anyway...... __________________ We'll never be as young as we are right now

10-27-2005, 10:21 PM	#15
Lizsun Complex Simpleton Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 18	Simon and Garfunkle,"Like a Bridge of untroubled water over troubled water, I won't lay me down . . . or I'd drown" Liz http://lettingmebe.blogspot.com

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