Anger Over Mohammed Cartoon

[Tonchi]

Thanks to you, UT, for shoveling that stinking pile of shit off the porch here. I never even attempted to comment on anything that jerk wrote because I could tell from his first week onsite that this was all a game he was playing. It's called Mind Fuck. I've seen it played before and I'll confess having tried it myself when I was considerably less mature. The object is not to learn or expound anything, the only purpose is to confound the person(s) you are talking to at every turn. Even if it means spinning on your heels and reversing your previous position, you must never let the other person form a reply or get a handle on the bombast you are hurling at him, always be derisive and negative, and always crush down any attempt to point out facts or pin down one element to resolve it. The subject is irrelevant, the player gets his kicks from preventing anything other that the thread he controls from entering into the discussion. It is manipulative to the max, that is the sole purpose of the game, and I watched that jerk even switch directions and compliment some of you on your "astute observations" so that he could continue to play ringmaster and keep the game moving. I don't doubt that people who like this kind of thing are sociopaths. The game of Mind Fuck is a mainstay on college campuses where there are a lot of immature kids who are trying to make themselves appear powerful and clever, and there are lots of people the gamer can play with who have not reached the point in their lives of knowing what they believe or how to express it. Given the level of intellectual development at The Cellar, I'm amazed that nobody caught on. Dov was just pushing buttons and blowing smoke, he didn't have any agenda more important than making an increasingly disgusting mess and seeing how long we would put up with it.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by Tonchi

Thanks to you, UT, for shoveling that stinking pile of shit off the porch here. I never even attempted to comment on anything that jerk wrote because I could tell from his first week onsite that this was all a game he was playing. It's called Mind Fuck. I've seen it played before and I'll confess having tried it myself when I was considerably less mature. The object is not to learn or expound anything, the only purpose is to confound the person(s) you are talking to at every turn. Even if it means spinning on your heels and reversing your previous position, you must never let the other person form a reply or get a handle on the bombast you are hurling at him, always be derisive and negative, and always crush down any attempt to point out facts or pin down one element to resolve it. The subject is irrelevant, the player gets his kicks from preventing anything other that the thread he controls from entering into the discussion. It is manipulative to the max, that is the sole purpose of the game, and I watched that jerk even switch directions and compliment some of you on your "astute observations" so that he could continue to play ringmaster and keep the game moving. I don't doubt that people who like this kind of thing are sociopaths. The game of Mind Fuck is a mainstay on college campuses where there are a lot of immature kids who are trying to make themselves appear powerful and clever, and there are lots of people the gamer can play with who have not reached the point in their lives of knowing what they believe or how to express it. Given the level of intellectual development at The Cellar, I'm amazed that nobody caught on. Dov was just pushing buttons and blowing smoke, he didn't have any agenda more important than making an increasingly disgusting mess and seeing how long we would put up with it.

you mean except for you, that is. i think pretty much everyone knew he was a troll. your putting it under the label of 'mind fuck' ( which is a corny term that is overused and underdescriptive) doesn't change it. i'm curious as to why you didn't express this opinion until after he was banned? is it a case of hindsight, or were you scared of him? i'm left with the taste of condescendingnessosity* in my mouth after reading your post. you practicing to be tw's apprentice?

*yeah, i made it up

[Tonchi]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

you mean except for you, that is. i think pretty much everyone knew he was a troll. your putting it under the label of 'mind fuck' ( which is a corny term that is overused and underdescriptive) doesn't change it. i'm curious as to why you didn't express this opinion until after he was banned? is it a case of hindsight, or were you scared of him? i'm left with the taste of condescendingnessosity* in my mouth after reading your post. you practicing to be tw's apprentice?

Not scared of HIM, LJ, just totally disinterested in letting him get his rocks off by attacking ME to divert attention further from what he was doing here. In other words, this is not my forum. It is *yours*, and it is not my position to decide who you play with or how. Maybe some of you were having fun too, up to a point. I have most charactistically been a lurker, I prefer to drive around train wrecks and mass murders because I can learn more from watching how other people handle the situation than by getting bogged down in them myself. It makes no sense at all to argue with somebody whose only purpose is to disrupt and challenge the limits. I never thought he was a troll, just a jerk who was too twisted to control his impulses to fuck with your mind instead of have a productive exchange of views. If you think the term is corny, keep in mind that I got it from exactly those people I first observed playing it back in the '60s. It's a game that nobody is supposed to win except them, so DON'T PLAY.

So how do you figure I think I am the only one... etc.? I am not taking credit for anything, just expressing surprise that so many clear-thinking people with IQs and abilities so much greater than mine were willing to play his game for so long. Some people told him off or put him on their ignore list, but enough kept on playing to keep Dov happy until UT pulled the plug. That's what Dov's kind of person is good at, pulling the strings that keep us playing. As for any comparison with the great TW, jedi master of the rant, I am not worthy But thanks for thinking of me.

[xoxoxoBruce]

On occasion you get a newbie that will be obnoxious simply because that’s all they’ve seen on the net. You know what I’m talking about, there’s plenty of it out there.
If they are smart enough to see it draws a negative reaction and tone it down, they just might have something of value to contribute.

I’ll defer to the elder geeks and their experience in spotting bad apples. But, when the spaceship door opens and you blast away with a 12 gauge the minute they show, you might miss out on a wonderful anal probing.

[tw]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

think pretty much everyone knew he was a troll. your putting it under the label of 'mind fuck' ... doesn't change it. i'm curious as to why you didn't express this opinion until after he was banned? is it a case of hindsight, or were you scared of him?

Dov was not a problem to anyone if that person had enough wintin to appreciate him. Notice my one simple exchange with him.

Isolationism
He defines the code as red but uses black letters. Now I understand.

UT understood. Although maybe he got the tense wrong. I was not going to be played. And yet I enjoyed watching him play on others.

Dov baits with illogic. No big deal. One simply ignores such illogic and looks beyond - to see his game. When asked to define what he was saying, he provided and I replied with more illogic. Fine. Just read what he posts and ignore those silly emotions that some here cannot suppress. He is (probably) young and flayling. Simply a person trying to learn to swim while still claiming he already knows how to swim. Did you find humor in that? I did.

Barak played a same game here on The Cellar, Mark I(?) He would make these wild claims about race relations, cite from his book, and hype so many here into a frenzy. The problem was not Barak so much as it was others who would be incited by Barak's mocking of 'you white boys'.

Those who were in The Cellar back then may recall when I joined the fray with a set of posts entitled "Hey Professor!" after Barak finally posted some numbers from his book. Guess what. After exposing those numbers as manipulated fraud - that any high school algebra student could have seen through - suddenly Barak disappearred. Completely stopped posting. Never heard another post from him.

Dov was just as intimidating. Appreciate what he really said and have no emotion. Then he is harmless. Yes he baited some. I found it totally amusing as I also found Barak amusing. Barak also said silly things that others got so incensed - for zero reasons. Especially - I think - Barak's repeated use of the phrase "you white boys". So entertaining to see nonsense from Barak and Dov AND to see others get so upset over what was intended to be nothing but nonsense.

Yes he talks in red; but posts in black. Did you appreciate what I was really posting? It was not just a response to Dov.