What it means to be an American - Page 3

MaggieL · 06-01-2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe

You do? Like what? Remingtons?

Well, my Kel-Tec, anyway.

But I was thinking of clothing labels.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-01-2006, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

See, that's what I mean.

Which of your phone calls are likely illegally listened to? Do you regularly receive calls from suspected overseas terrorists? Domestic calls are not "listened to".

Bullshit

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I remeber when I read that when monitoring an international call made by a non-US national being surveillied that NSA had to immediately cease if they figured out the other party was a US national. Seemed kinda extreme. These days, with how difficult it is to identify who the called party is, it's even more so.

Bullshit

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And you do remeber the Clipper Chip, right? :-)

No

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I hate to break it to you, but plain text email has never been anything close to secure.

If that worries you, you should encrypt it.; many people do.

That only keeps the general public at bay and attracts the government decoders.

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Which is exactly why radio amateurs radio operators have *always* been forbidden encrypt any of their messages...this is not new. They are also subject to stringent controls as to which country's nationals can pass messages though amateur radio.

There are many ways to hide messages in plain text or language.

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FCC doesn't have to seize my radios to shut me down, all they need to do is lift my licence.

Yeah sure, and if they lift my carry permit I can't take a gun to somebodies house and shoot them. C'mon, get real here.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-01-2006, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

If they can illegally do as they please so can I... they guy who comes for me dies, I feel bad for his family, but not bad enough, he and the government chooses it. It is very simple. I am a patriot.

Bad Boy, Bad Boy, whatcha gonna do?
Whatcha gonna do when they send an Apache Longbow or an A-10 Warthog, or a Stryker for you?

MaggieL · 06-01-2006, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

No

Well, look it up. Under "Clinton administration", if that helps.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

That only keeps the general public at bay and attracts the government decoders.

Which is why good old Phil Zimmerman advocated everybody doing it all the time.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

There are many ways to hide messages in plain text or language.

And even more in digital data. HF radio used to have significance in international intelligence; it doesn't anymore. For one thing, it requires somebody who knows what they're doing on both ends to use it.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Yeah sure, and if they lift my carry permit I can't take a gun to somebodies house and shoot them. C'mon, get real here.

Get real indeed. Do you advocate gun confiscation too?

I'm more worried about liberals trying to take stuff away from me ("..as representatives of The Common Good", as Hilary said); they spend all their time talking about it. Take a look at that Google sketch-up thread...the very first words out of tw's mouth when he found out I was a ham was about whether my neighbors would prevent me from erecting antennas.

Collectivists...*sigh*

I don't think Bush wants my radios. He seems to understand they're more valuable to him (and everybody else) in my hands.

Kitsune · 06-01-2006, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

HF radio used to have significance in international intelligence; it doesn't anymore. For one thing, it requires somebody who knows what they're doing on both ends to use it.

Uh...wha? You need to tune around above/below 12 and 30 meters sometime! 17 836 20 191 65...

73s.

MaggieL · 06-01-2006, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune

Uh...wha? You need to tune around above/below 12 and 30 meters sometime! 17 836 20 191 65...

73s.

Yes, there still are numbers stations. Giant Talk is still in operation too.
But it's not anywhere near the big deal it used to be; internet steganography rules...and any dimwit with a laptop can do it.

The theory that numbers stations are mostly drug runners now seems plausible to me...and confiscating legally owned HF rigs won't affect that any more than confiscating legally owned weapons will stop gangbangers.

Kitsune · 06-01-2006, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

confiscating legally owned HF rigs won't affect that any more than confiscating legally owned weapons will stop gangbangers.

Uh, okay. I just mentioned numbers stations because I find them interesting. I'm not suggesting we take your rig away. Shee.

skysidhe · 06-01-2006, 09:56 PM

( getting back on topic )

Large soft serve icecream cones.

New vehichle tires and if you are really special some cool hub caps.

MaggieL · 06-02-2006, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune

Uh, okay. I just mentioned numbers stations because I find them interesting. I'm not suggesting we take your rig away. Shee.

Didn't say you did. Bruce did; that was the original context. Or rather he was FUDding that Bush would...

Numbers stations are interesting to the extent that they still exist and you have to wonder why. You also have to wonder if they are actually carrying any traffic, or if they're just in operation to foil traffic analysis in case they're needed someday. .

MaggieL · 06-02-2006, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe

( getting back on topic )
Large soft serve icecream cones.

Yeah...the last remaining founder of Mr. Softee died over the weekend.

Kitsune · 06-02-2006, 07:28 AM

We take our children on a relaxing vacations that have schedules of what to do, when to do it, and everyone better stick to the timeline or we're not going to make it to our dinner reservation hurryup hurryup go go go!.

skysidhe · 06-02-2006, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

Yeah...the last remaining founder of Mr. Softee died over the weekend.

no way!

ok , I didn't find mr softee but I did find a strange recipie.
SOFT ICE CREAM 1/2 gal. chocolate milk
1 can Eagle Brand milk
1 lg. carton Cool Whip
Mix Eagle Brand milk and Cool Whip, stirring gently. Slowly stir in chocolate milk. Pour in gallon freezer and freeze in normal way. Makes 1 gallon.

First of all it uses cool whip, then second it says to freeze 'in normal way'. What's the abnormal way?

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To be an american means being hairless for the most part. Buying high priced razors.

To be an american it means the word orgainic is 'new' and 'trendy' when in actuality it just means 'old fashioned' .

To be an american you must own a television with over 100 channels and leave it running and don't watch it because there is nothing on.

Flint · 06-02-2006, 09:13 AM

"What it means to be an American" ...you have to be really, really fat?

Flint · 06-02-2006, 09:19 AM

I'm sorry, that was uncalled for. It really means that you believe the Earth was created 5,000 years ago. Also, you have to hate the right people. That's probably the most important, the hating.

skysidhe · 06-02-2006, 09:34 AM

To be an american it means you could be anyone from any subculture.

Some americans are bitter and negative about their country and people in general.

To be an american you might own a membership at a gym. Whether fat or thin being health conscience seems to be an american fad right now.

To be an american means you have an unsquishable hope that goes beyond politics and rhetoric.

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06-02-2006, 09:19 AM	#44
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I'm sorry, that was uncalled for. It really means that you believe the Earth was created 5,000 years ago. Also, you have to hate the right people. That's probably the most important, the hating. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

06-01-2006, 09:56 PM	#38
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	( getting back on topic ) Large soft serve icecream cones. New vehichle tires and if you are really special some cool hub caps.

06-02-2006, 07:28 AM	#41
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	We take our children on a relaxing vacations that have schedules of what to do, when to do it, and everyone better stick to the timeline or we're not going to make it to our dinner reservation hurryup hurryup go go go!.

06-02-2006, 09:34 AM	#45
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	To be an american it means you could be anyone from any subculture. Some americans are bitter and negative about their country and people in general. To be an american you might own a membership at a gym. Whether fat or thin being health conscience seems to be an american fad right now. To be an american means you have an unsquishable hope that goes beyond politics and rhetoric.

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