Antisocial Personality Disorder

I gotta say that I think this entire argument got started as someone's way of wimping out on saying "I don't beleive in God or spirit or spirituality." That's fine if folks want to be atheists. More power to you, but the the whole "we are but sub atomic particles" argument sounds suspiciously like the inverse of the intelligent design b.s.

Why can't people just stand up and stay, "I don't beleive" or "I believe"? Why the hell does science always have to be dragged in as the handmaiden of someone's personal vendetta of belief or disbelief?

I was raised a Christian and trained as a scientist. For years, I was at best an agnostic. Then a bunch of stuff happened in my life which turned me into a skeptical believer in a Greater Intelligence. BFD. Its my trip, and I'm not going to apologize for what I have experienced and learned on both sides of the equation to anyone. Yeah, every being follows the natural laws of science in so far as we understand them at this point in time. You can bet that our understanding of science is going to change considerably in the next 1,000 years - should we live so long.

As a biologist, I give the human species another 500 years max before we go the way of the trilobite. That doesn't mean I believe we are mere subatomic robots. It means that I think we are a complex species which still must follow the laws of biology and ecology.

Next topic, please.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by marichiko

I gotta say that I think this entire argument got started as someone's way of wimping out on saying "I don't beleive in God or spirit or spirituality."

Wimping out? It was explicitly said in post #1. The discussion was over the implications of that.

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Wimping out? It was explicitly said in post #1. The discussion was over the implications of that.

By "wimping out" I meant using science where science does not belong. You don't use science to explain your spiritual beliefs or lack there of. Belief is just that - belief. The word "science" comes from the Latin scio - to know. Again, I don't like Flint's argument because it reminds me of intelligent design in reverse.

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by marichiko

Again, I don't like Flint's argument because it reminds me of intelligent design in reverse.

ahh....that's why it makes me cringe! Like de-evolution. UR-EK-KA! That's it!

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by marichiko

By "wimping out" I meant using science where science does not belong.

There's glory for you!

And by glory, I mean a nice, knock-down argument.

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by marichiko

Then a bunch of stuff happened in my life which turned me into a skeptical believer in a Greater Intelligence.

You know what's weird? A bunch of stuff happened in my life that proved to me that there IS a Greater Intelligence. Bad stuff, too.