So, what is the difference.... - Page 4

JayMcGee · 07-20-2006, 08:41 PM

I'm sure the 100 plus Lebannese children kiilled and maimed appreciate the irony...

xoxoxoBruce · 07-21-2006, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

So which was Penn?

As I recall, Penn bought but there was a dispute later in that the distance West was described as how far a man walks in a day. White man walk with purpose. Indians just kind of moseyed along.

Another problem is the Iroquois sold the land because they said it was theirs....... unfortunately for the Pocopsens(sp?) and other tribes that the Iroquois felt were subservient.

MaggieL · 07-22-2006, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JayMcGee

I'm sure the 100 plus Lebannese children kiilled and maimed appreciate the irony...

Of course they are victims. The problem is you're confused as to who victimized them. Diagnosis is still terminal myopia. Prognosis not improving.

The only upside is that (as UT pointed out elsewhere), Hezbollah will say they are now eligible to be considered martyrs (albeit involuntary and retroactive) because they are not Jewish.

If they aren't. Surely at least some of them are Christian, which presumably makes them "infidel Crusaders who deservered what they got".

JayMcGee · 07-22-2006, 06:18 PM

you're all heart, maggiel...... and a stone one at that.

Are all Americans like you, reducing the deaths of non-American children to mere 'point-scorers' in an Interenet forum?

xoxoxoBruce · 07-22-2006, 06:28 PM

Lebannese children should not be harmed, because they are humans and humans should not be harmed.......except the ones on my list.

MaggieL · 07-22-2006, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JayMcGee

you're all heart, maggiel...... and a stone one at that.

A heart is of no use without a brain.

Perhaps it makes you feel all warm and morally superior, but if you're unable to see who is actually responsible for their pain, your no doubt deeply-felt liberal sympathy does the victims no good...in fact it is an obstacle to preventing this from happening again.

The same applies to your shallowly-reasoned accusations of heartlessness.

JayMcGee · 07-22-2006, 06:43 PM

No-one can do the victims any good, maggie, 'cos they're dead.

I'm just trying to stir you into some kind of action that may be can prevent more victims. Don't you have this 'megan's law' thingie over there in some of your states? If you can legislate and act over the death of one child, why can you not act over the death of hundreds of children?

xoxoxoBruce · 07-22-2006, 06:55 PM

You seem to be confused. Maggie, and many of us, are in the USA, not Israel. You, on the other hand, are considerably closer to Lebanon than we.

Maybe it's you that should be stirred to do something for the children.

JayMcGee · 07-22-2006, 07:14 PM

oxo, I 've tried kicking Tony's ass, but all I did was stub my toe.

Realistically, onyl the US can reign in Isreal, and Bush not only won't but has implicitely given Israel free reign for the next week or so. How many more kids will be killed in this next week?

richlevy · 07-22-2006, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

As I recall, Penn bought but there was a dispute later in that the distance West was described as how far a man walks in a day. White man walk with purpose. Indians just kind of moseyed along.

Another problem is the Iroquois sold the land because they said it was theirs....... unfortunately for the Pocopsens(sp?) and other tribes that the Iroquois felt were subservient.

Ah yes, the Walking Purchase. Not our finest hour.

William Penn's sons even cheated the guy who made the walk and got them the land. It just goes to show that honesty and decency are not necessarily inherited traits.

Trilby · 07-22-2006, 07:57 PM

Why does Jay feel that we American's have any more influence over our leaders than he does? Why is everything on the face of the fuqing Earth the fault of the US? It's so easy to point fingers, isn't it? There are thousands of American's very, very distressed at what is going on--Lebanese AND Jewish children are being killed. Where does the blame lay? WITH THOSE WHO STARTED IT BY KIDNAPPING. Hizbollah. That's where your anger needs to point to.

It's funny how the US is supposed to police the world but NOT police the world, ya know? Like any country does ANYTHING the US asks. HA! What are we to do? Tell Israel, "hey, stop that!" and have them listen to us, just like Iran and NK and USSR all listen to what we say?

Ibby · 07-22-2006, 08:21 PM

Bri, I disagree slightly... The blame doesnt lay with hezbollah. The blame can't be placed on anyone.

you're bombing our houses!
well you took our soldiers!
well you imprisoned our men!
well you are on our land!
well you TOOK the land from us!
well you tried to keep our holy land from us!
well it's our holy land too!
well we were persecuted for a long time!

BOTH sides are to blame. You'd have to go back thousands of years to figure out where this started, but it keeps being a problem because neither side is going to stop until the other one does.

Trilby · 07-22-2006, 08:37 PM

yeah, it's gone on forever and probably always will. However, this Particular session is in response to what hezbollah did.

07-22-2006, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rock Steady

No threat to them?????? You are seriously ignorant. Seriously.

I think the formation of Israel was a serious mistake. But, I can't blame them for defending themselves.

So, if some Indians told you that your house was built on top of a sacred burial ground, would you give your real estate title to them.

I think not.

We Eurpopians stole the land in the New Continent.

I was talking about the US in Iraq.

Ibby · 07-22-2006, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

yeah, it's gone on forever and probably always will. However, this Particular session is in response to what hezbollah did.

But they did that in response to this which israel did in response to that... etc etc etc

07-20-2006, 08:41 PM	#46
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	I'm sure the 100 plus Lebannese children kiilled and maimed appreciate the irony... __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

07-22-2006, 06:18 PM	#49
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	you're all heart, maggiel...... and a stone one at that. Are all Americans like you, reducing the deaths of non-American children to mere 'point-scorers' in an Interenet forum? __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

07-22-2006, 06:28 PM	#50
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Lebannese children should not be harmed, because they are humans and humans should not be harmed.......except the ones on my list. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-22-2006, 06:43 PM	#52
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	No-one can do the victims any good, maggie, 'cos they're dead. I'm just trying to stir you into some kind of action that may be can prevent more victims. Don't you have this 'megan's law' thingie over there in some of your states? If you can legislate and act over the death of one child, why can you not act over the death of hundreds of children? __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

07-22-2006, 06:55 PM	#53
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	You seem to be confused. Maggie, and many of us, are in the USA, not Israel. You, on the other hand, are considerably closer to Lebanon than we. Maybe it's you that should be stirred to do something for the children. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-22-2006, 07:14 PM	#54
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	oxo, I 've tried kicking Tony's ass, but all I did was stub my toe. Realistically, onyl the US can reign in Isreal, and Bush not only won't but has implicitely given Israel free reign for the next week or so. How many more kids will be killed in this next week? __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

07-22-2006, 07:57 PM	#56
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Why does Jay feel that we American's have any more influence over our leaders than he does? Why is everything on the face of the fuqing Earth the fault of the US? It's so easy to point fingers, isn't it? There are thousands of American's very, very distressed at what is going on--Lebanese AND Jewish children are being killed. Where does the blame lay? WITH THOSE WHO STARTED IT BY KIDNAPPING. Hizbollah. That's where your anger needs to point to. It's funny how the US is supposed to police the world but NOT police the world, ya know? Like any country does ANYTHING the US asks. HA! What are we to do? Tell Israel, "hey, stop that!" and have them listen to us, just like Iran and NK and USSR all listen to what we say? __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum Last edited by Trilby; 07-22-2006 at 08:03 PM.

07-22-2006, 08:21 PM	#57
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Bri, I disagree slightly... The blame doesnt lay with hezbollah. The blame can't be placed on anyone. you're bombing our houses! well you took our soldiers! well you imprisoned our men! well you are on our land! well you TOOK the land from us! well you tried to keep our holy land from us! well it's our holy land too! well we were persecuted for a long time! BOTH sides are to blame. You'd have to go back thousands of years to figure out where this started, but it keeps being a problem because neither side is going to stop until the other one does. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

07-22-2006, 08:37 PM	#58
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	yeah, it's gone on forever and probably always will. However, this Particular session is in response to what hezbollah did. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

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